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Offline Bizman

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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2013, 12:12:57 PM »
which will give me all weekend to pull my hair out while installing it  :D
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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2013, 02:39:27 PM »
Usually if there is any issue with the processor (bent pins, faulty CPU) the PC just simply wont work. It will power on, but you wont go anywhere. You wont get any POST beeps, you wont get anything on your screen. It will just sit there. But they dont go bad oftem. Of the probably 2000 computers I have worked around in the last 6 years I have only seen a processor related problem once.

But this isnt always the case. Sometimes you do get symptoms like you are getting now, so I wouldn't rule out the bent pins as your problem. The only thing is the symptoms you are describing could be other things as well.

The Hard drive was brought up earlier, which is probably the most common reason for issues like the ones you described, and this is probably the first thing I would look into. Check your windows error logs as described earlier and see if you are getting any hard drive read errors under the "Hardware" logs. If you are it's a good chance that is your problem.

 Power is also another possibility. The error code 64, as you described, has to do with the CPU on your particular board. If it was your pins, I would think it would throw that error more often than once as once you have the CPU and the heat sink on the socket those pins aren't going to move around. I think if your pins were the problem, you would be getting that error more consistently. I could be wrong of course, I have never dealt with a bent pin issue (knocks on wood).

Power, on the other hand, can do crazy things to a computer. A PSU that is not providing enough juice it can cause memory errors, CPU errors, intermittent hard drive detection errors, etc... Normally if I come to an issue that I cant quite narrow down the problem point, it ends up being the power supply. It's gotten to the point that testing the PSU is the first thing I do when I'm troubleshooting a hardware problem, just to be sure it's operating within spec.

 Buy/borrow a Power supply tester, they go for about 20 bucks depending on what you get and are very handy troubleshooting tools. Make sure your voltages are all good. If they aren't, replace.


When it comes down to it though, I would probably end up looking for a new motherboard sometime soon anyway. Bent pins can mean the difference between a high quality motherboard and an expensive piece of techie garbage. Not to mention the slight chance of damaging your CPU.
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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2013, 07:59:24 PM »
A few month ag my comp starting having problems like this then finally I could hear the fan on the psu spooling up and down rapidly and then just shut down. I took out that psu and tried another one and NADA no signs of life. Welll here several months later I have gotten new everything. MB, PSU, Hard drive(I RMA'd this) only thing I have not replaced is the CPU. I put all the new stuff in and I still get nothing. no beeps not a thing. If the CPU is bad would that prevent any signs of life?
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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2013, 08:29:17 PM »
A few month ag my comp starting having problems like this then finally I could hear the fan on the psu spooling up and down rapidly and then just shut down. I took out that psu and tried another one and NADA no signs of life. Welll here several months later I have gotten new everything. MB, PSU, Hard drive(I RMA'd this) only thing I have not replaced is the CPU. I put all the new stuff in and I still get nothing. no beeps not a thing. If the CPU is bad would that prevent any signs of life?

Yes, mine did have a setting that if the computer lost power during a boot or something, it was to stay in a power off condition.

In the case of my MB, I am posting from my computer with the new MB and CPU cooler in it. All seems to be ok at this time <crosses fingers and prays to the computer gods!> I have all the new drivers and MB programs up and running, and cleaned out everything I could find I don't need. I did get a chance to check the logs....now that it boots, and there wasn't anything for the HD, a couple power errors but those were in the process of trying to get it all back up with the old MB.

So far so good, wish me luck!

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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2013, 03:49:24 AM »
Good point, Ripley. Failing PSU's can indeed cause all symptoms you can imagine and more.

Buy/borrow a Power supply tester, they go for about 20 bucks depending on what you get and are very handy troubleshooting tools. Make sure your voltages are all good. If they aren't, replace.
The $20 testers only can tell if the voltages and the time of Power Good signal. Basically the same information can be found in the Bios settings under the title 'Pc Health Status' or similar, although without the risk of frying the computer with a PSU whose condition is unknown. So basically such a tester is most valuable with used power supplies before installing them, and it can indeed save your computer, making the small investment worthwile.

Why? As you can guess, a $20 pocket size tester can't put any load on the PSU, so you can't really tell if the PSU can feed all the juice thirsty components in a real life situation. I've been told that a reliable tester with adjustable simulated loads would cost about $50000 and up. But, I repeat, a small tester can tell if a PSU is prone to break your system.

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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2013, 04:02:35 AM »
just throwing this out there but one sign that the ps is going out is your sound is messed up.





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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2013, 02:58:02 PM »
Spoke too soon. I went to boot the computer in the morning and I had nothing, like the switch didn't work. I went over everything, testing the switches and made sure I had good voltage TO the power-supply. Disconnected all the plugs and plugged everything back in and it started. OK, figure I had a loose plug some place. Then I noticed the network connection was down. Check that in the device manager and it says that the Intel network connector won't start. I un installed it with every instance of drivers I could find re-booted and the same thing. Got the newest drivers for 64 bit system and still nothing.

So tomorrow, I will totally dis assemble the computer and check every connection, ground, mount, and so I can look at and piece it all together again. Any suggestions on what else I might look at while I'm at it?

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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2013, 08:54:43 AM »
So, if I have understood everything correctly, you managed to change the motherboard with ease without a total reinstall? And you also removed all hidden non-present devices via the Device Manager? Did you also uninstall all old drivers that might be accessible through the 'Programs and Features'? A registry cleaning with a tool like Ccleaner from Piriform could do good, too.

It also came to mind that Windows might have got angry about the change of such a critical component and unsubscribed your activation.

Last but not least, if your rig works now in a bearable speed, backup everything that you don't already have and do a clean install of Windows. If it still wouldn't work, the culprit is the motherboard. If you have a spare hdd lying around, you can do a test install, too.

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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2013, 10:41:35 AM »
So, if I have understood everything correctly, you managed to change the motherboard with ease without a total reinstall? And you also removed all hidden non-present devices via the Device Manager? Did you also uninstall all old drivers that might be accessible through the 'Programs and Features'? A registry cleaning with a tool like Ccleaner from Piriform could do good, too.

I did the device manager clean up but do NOT run a cleaner.

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It also came to mind that Windows might have got angry about the change of such a critical component and unsubscribed your activation.

I did get a warning from the windows and redid the activation

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Last but not least, if your rig works now in a bearable speed, backup everything that you don't already have and do a clean install of Windows. If it still wouldn't work, the culprit is the motherboard. If you have a spare hdd lying around, you can do a test install, too.

I was talking to a couple people about that and they didn't think windows would be an issue. Today Ill strip the whole thing done and put it all back together. I'm hoping I pinched something or pulled a wire out of a plug or something while routing the cables and such. I'll go over everything and give it another go. "IF" it runs after that I'll run the cleaner on it.

Thanks again.

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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2013, 12:01:08 PM »
I was talking to a couple people about that and they didn't think windows would be an issue. Today Ill strip the whole thing done and put it all back together. I'm hoping I pinched something or pulled a wire out of a plug or something while routing the cables and such. I'll go over everything and give it another go. "IF" it runs after that I'll run the cleaner on it.

Concerning the startup problem, that certainly is no Windows issue. The network issue on the other hand might well be due to mixed drivers, forgive me for bypassing the starting problem. My former advice was solely pointed to the netcard problem.

So, you said it was like the switch wasn't working. How did you test the switches? I've seen a brand new HP with a broken switch. Booted for a couple or times, then only occasionally, usually after taking the front panel and the switch apart. You do know the startup button is a shortcut switch, don't you? Meaning you can detach it from the motherboard and connect the two pins with the tip of a screwdriver, or any metal object for that matter. GPU and RAM problems can prevent starting, but AFAIK the fans would spin and the beeper would make funny sounds if either of them were the culprit.  -The P8Z77-V LE seems to have a built in video card, which is good for testing if your video card or the pci-e slot has issues.

For the wiring part, the only wires you'd need for booting up are the 24 pin ATX connector, the 8 pin CPU connector and the power connector to your video card. There's some difference between the 8 pin CPU and GPU connectors cabling wise. I believe they can't be misplaced, but you'd better check. I've seen modular PSU's with dedicated slots for GPU wires, although they could be connected to any of them.

The best tool to test a faulty PSU is a $20 tester, discussed in another thread, but you can check if it won't start at all with this simple trick: Detach all wires from the motherboard and other devices. Plug the PSU into the mains. Nothing should happen. Shortcut the green wire to a black one in the 24 pin ATX connector with a piece of wire or even a paper clip. The fan should spin.

Good luck!


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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2013, 12:23:54 AM »
Sounds like you need a new PSU. One of my computers had a crappy 430W PSU and it sometimes didn't start at all, then after a few tries it booted up and even worked, but could not hold an overclock. After switching the PSU to XFX Seasonic made 850W model the whole computer transformed. It became dead reliable and could overclock 30% more than before.
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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2013, 09:01:48 AM »
I'm beginning to think this MB is bad. To test the switches I checked them with my multi-meter, and to be sure I used another set of switches, same problem. You hit the switch and nothing happens, just like the unit is unplugged. No fans twitch, nothing. After the tear down and re assemble ( I found two stand offs that were the "through the board" type and replaced them with flush mounts) The computer started fine. I shut it down and restarted it with the on button a half dozen times. I then dug into the network issue with no resolution other than to buy a ethernet card and try using that instead (should have it today or tomorrow).

I have this power supply.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139031

It is only 7 months old and when the computer is running the voltages look good in the monitoring software.

As of this morning, the computer will again not start with the on button, completely dead.  :cry

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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2013, 10:21:01 AM »
I'm beginning to think MrRipley might be right. Or that you both might be right.

I just called a friend who is very skilled with electronics and does a lot of PSU and mobo repairs. His comment about Corsair PSU's was: "I wouldn't like to lay my hands on any of that crap anymore. The circuit board is like crisp bread and the capacitors, unless specifically told being japanese, tend to age fast especially if the PSU takes care of the computer's ventilation." And about new Asus and Asrock mobos: "Those with the newest, still unstable Intel circuitry with some Marvell controller chips are a PITA, the third one (Asus) he got works reasonably well, although not perfectly stable."

Don't shoot the messenger, please...  :bolt:

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2013, 11:20:13 AM »
I'm beginning to think MrRipley might be right. Or that you both might be right.

I just called a friend who is very skilled with electronics and does a lot of PSU and mobo repairs. His comment about Corsair PSU's was: "I wouldn't like to lay my hands on any of that crap anymore. The circuit board is like crisp bread and the capacitors, unless specifically told being japanese, tend to age fast especially if the PSU takes care of the computer's ventilation." 

Don't shoot the messenger, please...  :bolt:

Several of the Corsair PSU's (but not all) are built by Seasonic who currently builds some of the most reliable PSU's on the market.  Somewhere around here theres a link to a chart that lists all available PSU's and the actual manufacturer.

Not shooting the messanger, just trying to set the record straight for the less informed.
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Re: Motherboard Problem
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2013, 12:10:30 PM »
Several of the Corsair PSU's (but not all) are built by Seasonic who currently builds some of the most reliable PSU's on the market.  Somewhere around here theres a link to a chart that lists all available PSU's and the actual manufacturer.

Not shooting the messanger, just trying to set the record straight for the less informed.
Yes, I know Seasonic has a very good reputation. Although, when I asked about them, my friend said that he has seen poor examples of them, too. Whom can you trust these days? :(

The "somewhere" is e.g. the UL certification number databasehttp://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.htm, the FCC search tools http://transition.fcc.gov/searchtools.html seem a little trickier to me.