Fancy tricks

[Zacherof]

Looking for some tips on fancy flight tricks like what Lepape does in jugs. 

[The Fugitive]

PRACTICE ! 

[Debrody]

Call Krupnski, he does something simmilar with the K4. Seen Joachim doing nice tailslides too. Impressive too see, also very deadly.
 

[Wiley]

Honestly, Fugi's got the right of it.  There is no magic 'If he goes like this, you go like this, and you'll be able to fly like Lepape.'  It's a set of skills that you have to put the time in to learn.

Learn ACM.  Heh... I just realized that's pretty much akin to saying 'Learn chess' but it's what's required.  In Pursuit by Johan Kylander is a good place to start.  Putting in time in the TA with trainers can help immensely.

Pick a plane.  Learn the plane so you know what it will do in every situation.  Low speed, mid speed, high speed, extreme speed.  Learn how it feels and handles when it starts to compress, what it takes to get it to shed parts due to speed.

Get the feel for how it stalls, when it stalls, what it does after it stalls.  Learn how different levels of throttle affect its low speed characteristics.

Learn how different fuel/ammo states affect it under all the aforementioned conditions.

That's a start, anyways.

Edit:  Wow, I just reread this and realized it comes off a bit harsh.  I didn't mean any offense by it, Zacherof, it's just a factual statement of what I feel it takes to get to the point of fancy tricks.

Wiley.

[Ack-Ack]

Looking for some tips on fancy flight tricks like what Lepape does in jugs. 

Learning a "trick" only turns you into a one trick pony without any knowledge of what to do when you find yourself in a situation where your "trick" doesn't apply.  As Fugi and others have mentioned, take the time to learn BFM and ACM and practice, practice, practice.  This way your "bag of tricks" will be full and you won't find yourself empty handed in any situation.


Look at Midway...he only has one trick in his bag and dies quite easily because he doesn't know how to handle situations where he can't use his "trick".  Don't become a Midway.

ack-ack

[Noir]

you guys could at least admit you don't know how to do the tailslide instead of giving vague advices on how unnecessary it is (except deb) 

[Randy1]

I use to fly remote control airplanes. Out of the plane view makes it easier to do a tail slide and a vertical stall turn with a kick of rudder with a shot of power.  It is harder to do in AH since you are in plane knowing you are perfectly vertical.  The problem I find if you don't have enough advantage over the chasing plane, you are  a sitting duck like stalling a p47 or a Typhoon at the top of a loop.

The below are tricks to me but are standards to the experienced stic.  That is if you are new like me they are tricks.  The idea of these is to switch from defense to offense.

A snap roll reversal is neat.  Not easy to do.  Takes practice on each plane.

A BRD reversal at the top of the barrel roll is a neat trick too but you need to practice the next one first.

Just going to the offline practice to figure just how low you can be and roll over and pull a reversal with flaps can save your bacon.  In a P47M it is 1500 feet as an example.  A better stick than me could shave that down I am sure.

On planes that don't have high speed flaps pop the flaps at the top of the loop when the speed is slow to pitch the nose down quicker.  

[mtnman]

The problem I find if you don't have enough advantage over the chasing plane, you are  a sitting duck like stalling a p47 or a Typhoon at the top of a loop.
 

There-in lies the underlying reason "tricks" don't have much use in aerial combat...

If you DO have "enough" advantage over the chasing plane (or your opponent in really ANY situation), you don't need tricks. 

If you don't have "enough" advantage, tricks will generally waste a large amount of E and/or time, putting you in a worse position than you began in.

Trick's will get you killed and cause you more grief more often than flying just good 'ol basic ACM.

[uptown]

There-in lies the underlying reason "tricks" don't have much use in aerial combat...

If you DO have "enough" advantage over the chasing plane (or your opponent in really ANY situation), you don't need tricks. 

If you don't have "enough" advantage, tricks will generally waste a large amount of E and/or time, putting you in a worse position than you began in.

Trick's will get you killed and cause you more grief more often than flying just good 'ol basic ACM.

QFT

[FLS]

Looking for some tips on fancy flight tricks like what Lepape does in jugs. 

As Randy mentioned, it's basically variations on the vertical snap roll.

[smoe]

I've been using the barrel roll trick with huge success. It seems to take advantage of two things. First, if you are moving an enemy has a hard time getting critical hits, plus the lag factor kicks in. Second, if you can hide behind the enemy’s canopy pillar and frame blind spots you will win every time.

[ACE]

Joachim is the man!

[titanic3]

Joachim is the man!

Are you his man?

[bozon]

There-in lies the underlying reason "tricks" don't have much use in aerial combat...

If you DO have "enough" advantage over the chasing plane (or your opponent in really ANY situation), you don't need tricks. 

If you don't have "enough" advantage, tricks will generally waste a large amount of E and/or time, putting you in a worse position than you began in.

Trick's will get you killed and cause you more grief more often than flying just good 'ol basic ACM.

Indeed, 95% of what the best pilots do are the few standard maneuvers. It is the knowledge of  how to do them and especially when to do them that makes these pilots so good. The tricks are a variation that you pull out once in a while against an opponent that may predict your moves.

[Scotch]

Are you his man?

More like his little woman, in a cute sunday dress.



I've seen a few people now using tailslides in duels. I actually smile when I see it because unless they connect on that 1/100th chance of the shot they might get as I pass, they've just allowed me to continue up and over in the scissors and hold all the cards. It's then my fight to lose. Which right now I will.  
You know until Tango posted that "Flat plate" tailside thread after the Dogfighters episode, it really wasn't that known of a move. A straight forward, non-bs over the top reversal is still going to win overall, pilots being equal. You don't see guys like Bighorn and Creton using a tailslide because they don't need to.


But start climb, pull stick back-right, rudder left, half throttle then back towards full. Practice it, should get it to work.