Author Topic: Picking  (Read 8520 times)

Offline Noir

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5964
Re: Picking
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2013, 12:53:35 AM »
for me picking or not is a matter of objective:

'pickers' go into the fight for quantitative objectives, ie killing the most enemies and getting back to base in one piece

'ACM dudes' are there for qualitative objectives, ie get the best fight ever, the best reversal that only comes once in a while...

the 2nd line usually get the short end of the stick, getting killed by 'inferior' pilot in their opinion. I'm from the 1st group and get my thrill by trying to survive...I understand the frustration but I do have a plane icon like anyone.
now posting as SirNuke

Offline ebfd11

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4151
      • [b]POTW[/b]
Re: Picking
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2013, 12:58:03 AM »
PIGS ON THE WING 3RD WING

InGame id: LawnDart
RIP Skullman Potzie and BentNail

Offline SQUAT!

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 210
Re: Picking
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2013, 02:33:24 AM »
In my experience ( which is not as much as many here) Picking is killing a red guy who is already engaged with green guy. whether in a furball or you stumble across a 1v1.  And anyone in the MA's is guilty of picking. But there are some that ONLY pick and run from the 1v1. in some cases even when they have the advantage. SA will help avoid getting killed by the picker. But not always.A lot of the time there is just nothing you can do to avoid it

Offline nrshida

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8581
Re: Picking
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2013, 04:40:50 AM »
The whole reason nrshida brought the argument in here is because this is where the DA crybabies hang out and he knows he can get support here. In reality his own ACM is about dirt poor and that is not up for argument.

Nope, I started this thread to not derail the flap discussion so we could discuss picking, most especially your variety of picking: cruising around at altitude waiting for people to start fighting so you can 'kill' something with no risk to yourself. I think that's ghey, exploitative and gamey. It's not even very original.

You know nothing about my ACM and if you are inferring that from my score then you are even more unintelligent than you appear.

There's been no crying about anything, again an attempt on your part to devalue and shut people up who disagree with you. Perhaps you'd have more success insulting me personally or my family like you did with Ink. You're trying to convince this whole community there is no such thing as picking, because it's all you basically do, you know it and you don't like it.

I kind of like that you don't like it.  :lol


I'm not entirely sure what the foundation is upon which you base your superiority complex. Everyone who mentions you says the same, you pick, you run, you camp and basically exploit other players activities to make your 'living' here. Why don't you fly a Spitfire Mark IX for a tour and show us a similar score. You can't and everybody knows it.

I note with interest that you don't actually address any of my points, you just try to scamper away without engaging. Interesting parallel. If you think in not discussing these points because you are simply 'above them' allows you to retain some kind of inarguable correctness about your position, then I'm afraid you are mistaken, it just makes you look arrogant and that you think you are above reproach and above most of the rest of the players. You are not.


Have you got anything else to bring to this argument besides your hollow and unfounded arrogance?



"If man were meant to fly, he'd have been given an MS Sidewinder"

Offline Chalenge

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15179
Re: Picking
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2013, 05:42:16 AM »
Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!

You DA cry babies really take the cake.
If you like the Sick Puppy Custom Sound Pack the please consider contributing for future updates by sending a months dues to Hitech Creations for account "Chalenge." Every little bit helps.

Offline danny76

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2583
Re: Picking
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2013, 05:58:49 AM »
Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!

You DA cry babies really take the cake.

Anyone who has played this game for any length of time will remember hard, fair and enjoyable fights whenever they meet Shida in whatever arena. As for crying he is the last person you will ever get a moan from. His magnanimity and willingness to help are a credit to the community.
I doubt many remember or care about the last time they were picked from a challenging fight by some light speed Pony driver.
"You kill 'em all, I'll eat the BATCO!"
The GFC

"Not within a thousand years will man ever fly" - Wilbur Wright

Offline Kovel

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 232
Re: Picking
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2013, 06:20:28 AM »
I wonder if those who complain about picking are complaining because they are "picked" or just because they don't accept how others play.

If it is the first, then I'd suggest to improve their skills and learn how to deal with 1 vs 2-3. There are really hot sticks out there who are really difficult to get picked. They can fite 2-3 at the same time and they know how to deal with it. We all know who they are.

If it is the second reason, then I'd suggest let everyone fly the way they want.

1 vs 1 are fun

Picking is fun

Get picked is a chance to improve.

Not pretending a statement here, just sharing my thoughts...


 :salute

Edit: Trying my best with english language.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2013, 06:38:53 AM by Kovel »
" I personally led the attack to A1" - Pipz

Offline nrshida

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8581
Re: Picking
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2013, 06:38:01 AM »
Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!

You DA cry babies really take the cake.


Again, no discussion of points, just an ad hominem personal attack.

Your score says far more about your ACM than mine does. But anytime you want to nut up and test our relative ACM, you let me know, picker  :rofl



"If man were meant to fly, he'd have been given an MS Sidewinder"

Offline Randy1

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4229
Re: Picking
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2013, 07:09:30 AM »
If I get popped while chasing a red then it is not what is called a pickers fault, it is mine.  Most of the time when that happens I have gotten greedy and pushed to close too long or failed the check my 6.

Fugitive pointed that out to me in another thread.  I had pushed too long to close and he had to come in and try to break me free from a 38 that had closed on my six.  I got me shoot down and him.  Pickers fault?  No, it was all my doing and I took Fugitive out too which was the worst of that situation.

Surely, you don't see Fugitive as a picker in this aforementioned situation?

Offline ink

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11274
Re: Picking
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2013, 07:25:19 AM »
I wonder if those who complain about picking are complaining because they are "picked" or just because they don't accept how others play.

If it is the first, then I'd suggest to improve their skills and learn how to deal with 1 vs 2-3. There are really hot sticks out there who are really difficult to get picked. They can fite 2-3 at the same time and they know how to deal with it. We all know who they are.

If it is the second reason, then I'd suggest let everyone fly the way they want.

1 vs 1 are fun

Picking is fun

Get picked is a chance to improve.

Not pretending a statement here, just sharing my thoughts...


 :salute

Edit: Trying my best with english language.

Not chalenge.........response to what is bolded in red :rofl :rofl


Offline Brakechk

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 135
Re: Picking
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2013, 08:05:15 AM »
In my experience ( which is not as much as many here) Picking is killing a red guy who is already engaged with green guy. whether in a furball or you stumble across a 1v1.  And anyone in the MA's is guilty of picking. But there are some that ONLY pick and run from the 1v1. in some cases even when they have the advantage. SA will help avoid getting killed by the picker. But not always.A lot of the time there is just nothing you can do to avoid it

I would agree with that completely.  I do think that the only thing that really distinguishes good vs mediocre vs poor in terms of that flying style is accuracy and a little SA (so you can see when your getting into trouble).  Some of the guys who specialize in that style are good shots at high closing speeds and funky angles, but that's about all you have to work on.

I don't begrudge being popped while in a fight, especially a furball which is usually more about SA than ACM.  It does suck to have a good fight ended that way (either you or oppenent) but we are all doing it in a furball to a greater or lesser extent anyway.  It can get frustrating when you just can't get to a faster plane (name your plane...doesn't matter....51 series, 190 series etc.).  You have to decide what you want to fly like and make a plane selection or possibly a compromise selection that would give you some speed for catching the higher speed rides along with some close in action.

I do agree with a previous poster on this who said you don't remember the last guy that "picked" you but you do remember the guys you got into a good "turny" fight with.  I.E. I've only fought Nrshida three times...first couple days in the game a couple months ago...Ki vs Ki.  I lost 2 out of 3.  's and "gf"s exchanged, no drama.  I don't remember the last guy that "picked" me..or really any of them.  I don't start any drama there either...it's part of the game (and it's on me to look around).  I guess if I got mad about it I might but why let a game make you mad for any length of time at all?

I have flown both ways in the total time I have played the game (since about a year before AW shut down).  The survivalist mentality is attractive for landing kills but really boring for me.  If you never took the time and risk associated with learning how to fight 1 v 1 (or many..different set of skills) close in and amongst the crowd then you're missing out on a very sastifying part of the game.  On the other hand while I find occasionally winning a 1 v 1 (or more) immensely satisfying, especially if your dodging others while doing it you certainly don't land as much.  Choose your style of playing and go after it. 

Score comparisons between the two styles are more than useless with the possible exception of hit percentage, that being the only thing they have in common. 

I don't think arguements from either perspective will resolve anything.  They usually have such wildly differing views that coming to any sort of agreement is impossible.  It usually degrades into more of an exercise in comparitive male genitalia measurements. 
Brakechk/Zaphod

Offline Kovel

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 232
Re: Picking
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2013, 08:18:38 AM »
Not chalenge.........response to what is bolded in red :rofl :rofl



I'm sorry Ink, but I don't need to put names here to express what I wanted to say.  :salute
" I personally led the attack to A1" - Pipz

Offline ink

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11274
Re: Picking
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2013, 08:25:57 AM »
I'm sorry Ink, but I don't need to put names here to express what I wanted to say.  :salute

....I was just pointing out the obvious :D

Offline Brakechk

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 135
Re: Picking
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2013, 08:28:39 AM »
I wonder if those who complain about picking are complaining because they are "picked" or just because they don't accept how others play.

I think this comes from both sides of the arguement.  On top of that it's very difficult not to put a slant on a response post that doesn't favor the poster's style of play and belittle the other styles.  Add to that the embellishments and extended definitions to vulching and picking, "inablity to ACM" accusations or the "score" thing and this quickly becomes more about cutting wit or insults.  It's a player vs player game....this is to be expected to a certain degree I expect.   :salute
Brakechk/Zaphod

Offline Kovel

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 232
Re: Picking
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2013, 08:30:03 AM »
Score comparisons between the two styles are more than useless with the possible exception of hit percentage, that being the only thing they have in common.  

I don't think arguements from either perspective will resolve anything.  They usually have such wildly differing views that coming to any sort of agreement is impossible.  It usually degrades into more of an exercise in comparitive male genitalia measurements.  

I'd like to agree here:

Scores has nothing to do with 1 vs 1 neither picking.

Score is another independent area of the game that has "its own career". And it can be as fun as 1 vs 1 can be for other people of this game.

My thoughts  :cheers:
" I personally led the attack to A1" - Pipz