Picking

[Kovel]

....I was just pointing out the obvious

He he Ink   

[Debrody]

The best dogfighting skills might show up in the KOTH, such both as SA and ACM, all together.

I would like to see Chalenge participating in a KOTH event  
Oh wait, he cant come from 40k there?  
He cant run for more than 30 seconds there?  
Not a surprise he never shows up there  

little ego tard trying to belittle everyone based on the kill/death? after a certain level its all like a "coward-o-meter"    
You can think what ever you want. But we can laugh as long as we would like to, too  

[Kovel]

I think this comes from both sides of the arguement.  On top of that it's very difficult not to put a slant on a response post that doesn't favor the poster's style of play and belittle the other styles.  Add to that the embellishments and extended definitions to vulching and picking, "inablity to ACM" accusations or the "score" thing and this quickly becomes more about cutting wit or insults.  It's a player vs player game....this is to be expected to a certain degree I expect.   

Yeah 

[Latrobe]

I've seen everything as fair game. Whether it's picking, HOing, ganging... if you died in one of these scenerios it's because you failed to keep up your SA and got killed. I would know, I died these ways every day because of lack of SA. Why someone feels the need to jump in on a red guy who's already out numbered 4 to 1, I still have yet to understand this. Don't worry too much about pickers. If you see one diving in on your 1v1 they are either a bad pilot, a bad shot, or (usually) both. Just turn into his attack, force the overshoot, rolling back into him and fill him with led! 

The less time you spend worrying about how "dweeby" someone else flies and the more time you spend on thinking how you can shoot them down, the better you will become. 

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He he Ink   

 

The best dogfighting skills might show up in the KOTH, such both as SA and ACM, all together.

I would like to see Chalenge participating in a KOTH event  
Oh wait, he cant come from 40k there?  
He cant run for more than 30 seconds there?  
Not a surprise he never shows up there  

little ego tard

 

[The Fugitive]

My take, for what it's worth....

First you have to "define" what a "pick" is. Picking to me is swooping in and popping someone who is already engaged in a fight. Now in a furball this is a "given" your doing it, they are doing it, it's what a furball is all about. It's what you expect to happen, the fun of the furball is to use your SA to survive as long as you can killing as many as you can be fore you finally get picked.

When fighting 1 vs 1, or 1 vs 2 then a pick is one step up from a HO. It still takes a bit of skill to time your pick right, but to me it is still a pretty classless move. Some people are saying that in a pony, or Dora that's the only way to fly those birds, well they are wrong. You can BnZ with them very well in a 1 on 1, or 1 on 2 situation. Yes and the "smart" pilot will will extend, or get out of dodge once he feels he has lost his advantages. That is "E" fighting and using the strengths of your ride. But blowing through a 2 on 1 for a cheap kill, thats just a dweeb move.

[Changeup]

Yes, nrshida, you hit the nail right n the head! A guy that has 28 kills out of 58 sorties knows more about acm then somoene with 153 kills and four deaths. Call the air force, navy and marine corps and let them know they have this ace thing all backwards!

You DA cry babies really take the cake.

I'd love to see all 153 kill films.  My bet:  horde, mission horde, hit and run, but certainly very little premeditated "fighting" and zero base defense.  I need to spend some time searching out two guys:  Chalenge and ManAtard.   I suspect if they really had skills, we wouldn't be in here discussing their skills.

[titanic3]

for me picking or not is a matter of objective:

'pickers' go into the fight for quantitative objectives, ie killing the most enemies and getting back to base in one piece

'ACM dudes' are there for qualitative objectives, ie get the best fight ever, the best reversal that only comes once in a while...

the 2nd line usually get the short end of the stick, getting killed by 'inferior' pilot in their opinion. I'm from the 1st group and get my thrill by trying to survive...I understand the frustration but I do have a plane icon like anyone.

But I've seen you fight..when you get chased down, you fight, and do it nicely...just curious why you wouldn't do that more often.

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I'd love to see all 153 kill films.  My bet:  horde, mission horde, hit and run, but certainly very little premeditated "fighting" and zero base defense.  I need to spend some time searching out two guys:  Chalenge and ManAtard.   I suspect if they really had skills, we wouldn't be in here discussing their skills.

every word out of his mouth can be categorized thusly.... illusions of grandeur....delusions.......l ies.

I put him with midway on ignore......

we all know he will not back up his smack talk....I kinda feel sad for people like that...if they wont have a backbone in a game...imagine what it must be like to be them in the RW.

[Midway]

every word out of his mouth can be categorized thusly.... illusions of grandeur....delusions.......l ies.

I put him with midway on ignore......

we all know he will not back up his smack talk....I kinda feel sad for people like that...if they wont have a backbone in a game...imagine what it must be like to be them in the RW.

I backed it up by beating Debrody in the DA 100% of all duels last dueling session... same with TomG... same with others... can I beat everyone yet, no... but certainly 95%.  So when you say I don't back it up, exactly whom is being delusional, huh?

[Triton28]

With all due respect to everyone involved, these pissing matches serve no purpose.  

You don't have to hang around these boards very long to learn the standard defensive arguments to justify whatever type of gameplay you prefer.  

If you wanna play Johnny Realistic Pilot, there are plenty of special events going on to do it.  If it's all about the fight, you have places and clubs to showcase your prowess.  To me, the MA is where all that stuff comes together, for better or worse.  Fussing about it does nothing but waste time you could be spending doing something else.

 


  

 

[Brakechk]

I'd like to agree here:

Scores has nothing to do with 1 vs 1 neither picking.

Score is another independent area of the game that has "its own career". And it can be as fun as 1 vs 1 can be for other people of this game.

My thoughts  

Absolutely.  There are many different facets to the game, all of them are fine.  Attempting to improve score is just another one of them, and I have zero problem with those who do this.  It's about what you like to do and your personal goals or what an individual finds fun.  The problems occur when one group decides to defame/degrade another group using only the measure of success within their personal goals as a means of comparison to show why they are better than the other person (ingame or personally lol) with different goals/measures of success.  It can't really be done except within very narrow parameters (hit percentage possibly as an example)...apples and oranges.  

[nrshida]

My opinion for the rest of the community for what it is worth.


Clearing a friendly is not objectionable to me, especially in a furball or when a friendly is outnumbered. Even I would engage and pick someone off under those circumstances. The measure is simple: did you opportunistically get an easy kill or were you helping a squaddie or team mate. I believe this is a question for the individual to contemplate themselves.

Neither do I think BnZ is lame, if this is your method or the strengths of your aeroplane then you would be foolish not to use these attributes and try to be successful, my gameplan is different and if yours defeats mine then you will usually get a salute from me for a good fight. I have previously mentioned one of my more memorable recent fights was against a P-51D who used his superior energy retention to fight in the vert. It was an excellent fight.


I do not believe I have complained on any channel including PM for as long as I remember about being picked. Most of my fights I'm outnumbered and out energied. This is my choice and I do not complain about it. I get my jollies from putting myself in those positions and trying to swim out of it. I don't look at my score very much if at all and don't really know how to interpret the data when I did after Chalenge's remarks. I'm sure it is absolutely terrible by normal player's standards but does not measure the fun I have in the virtual skies of Aces High. It is simply not my focus.

I have committed myself to the art of manoeuvring fights and have decreasing interest in measuring the outcome as some kind of indication of how well I have flown. Again this is internal to me. The art is in the path and not the destination.


I believe I am very tolerant about other people's chosen playing style. If you start trying to devalue my play style or criticising my activities to dismiss my opinion you are asking for full-on Prak mode. Basically leave me alone & I'll extend to you the same courtesy.

[RotBaron]

I have committed myself to the art of manoeuvring fights and have decreasing interest in measuring the outcome as some kind of indication of how well I have flown. Again this is internal to me. The art is in the path and not the destination.


I believe I am very tolerant about other people's chosen playing style. If you start trying to devalue my play style or criticising my activities to dismiss my opinion you are asking for full-on Prak mode. Basically leave me alone & I'll extend to you the same courtesy.

You must stop doing this, their egos can't take it any longer, you must break and succumb to measuring yourself based off of score.    j/k  man  good for you!   


 

Rot

[skorpx1]

I'll throw my 2 cents in here.

Picking is when you are in a situation where you're clearly at an advantage whether its numbers or the ability to TnB better than the plane you're fighting, and all you do is take shots on an enemy when you're diving on them from 10k above. BnZ is when you're in the other guys shoes but have an alt advantage. Its like clearing out a horde. Now i'll admit to having picked/BnZ'd in my Typhoon, but do you really expect a Tiffy to start a turn fight with a Spitfire or even a Peeeeeeeeee51? Now iv'e noticed a lot of people will call out "Picktardzzzz!!!!1!!!111!!!!1oneoneone!!" on 200 when this is done in a Typhoon or even a P47. Would you really expect a plane with a huge turning disadvantage to turn against a Hurricane or even a Spitfire? I wouldn't. If I were in a turny plane getting "picked" (BnZ'd) by a P47 or a Tiffy I wouldn't cry about it. If I were getting picked/BnZ'd by a turny plane while I was in a P47 or Tiffy i'd probably call that guy out. If you can pull a turn and do it better than the plane you're fighting, but decide to dive on them from 20k instead, then you deserve to be called a picktard.

Just my thoughts on the matter.