47m vs 47n

[WWhiskey]

If your flying the jug to dogfight  you've already messed up,, leaving guns at home might save your life for an extra few seconds  while taking them with you might give you a kill sooner than not!   I love to fly the jug,, but I fly it with plenty of fuel and ammo!,, I fly it high and use its speed and guns to kill whatever I can find below it!,,  I like the M and the D-40, for gunning  and the N for heavy destruction   TheN will turn better than the M at slow speeds. But if your slow in a jug,,, you better hope your fighting another jug!

[bozon]

N guns are slightly wider apart. The extra plugs of wing are added at the wing root. Shouldn't matter too much, but to be noted as a difference. Hit at convergence and you'll still hit.

The guns are quite significantly wider apart. Sometimes I feel that if I saddle up on a yak9 and shoot from point blanc the bullet streams will safely pass on each side around the yak. Does not matter much at convergence, but definitely matters when hitting outside of convergence. For me the N is the least fun of all the Jugs. Then again, the D11/25 are the most fun so maybe I am not a good example.

[LilMak]

If your flying the jug to dogfight  you've already messed up,

Crap!!! I've been doing it wrong for years!

[WWhiskey]

Crap!!! I've been doing it wrong for years!

  I love to kill spixteens with them,,   and I have,, not many times,, but I have,, that being said,, the Spixteen driver wasn't very good at his job!!! and to have died to the jug  should be wake up call!!
I fly the jug because it is heavily armed and pretty darn fast,, I was never great at dog fighting anyway, and my gunnery isn't all that great,, so  as many guns and as much motor as I can get is  the plane I want!
 next tour I will dog fight the jug the whole month just to see the end result tho,, I doubt it will be pretty tho!!!

[bj229r]

The guns are quite significantly wider apart. Sometimes I feel that if I saddle up on a yak9 and shoot from point blanc the bullet streams will safely pass on each side around the yak. Does not matter much at convergence, but definitely matters when hitting outside of convergence. For me the N is the least fun of all the Jugs. Then again, the D11/25 are the most fun so maybe I am not a good example.

Yup....gunnery is TONS different, I find it lots easier to hit stuff with the other jugs, but I still usually fly the N

[Noir]

The guns are quite significantly wider apart. Sometimes I feel that if I saddle up on a yak9 and shoot from point blanc the bullet streams will safely pass on each side around the yak. Does not matter much at convergence, but definitely matters when hitting outside of convergence. For me the N is the least fun of all the Jugs. Then again, the D11/25 are the most fun so maybe I am not a good example.

+1 on that, it's been my main issue when converting to the jug from the p51.

[WWhiskey]

just got another 262 kill    with the Jug M   that is just to much fun!!!!!

[Ninthmessiah]

To the OP, the M jug climbs waaaaaay better and accelerates waaaaay better due to the N's extra weight.  The difference is not marginal, it's huge.  

p47m v. p47n????  Fly the Mary when you want to kill planes.  Fly the Nancy when you want to carry ords.

Oh and go light.  Only if you plan on landing 8 or more kills should you take the full fuel and ammo in the Mary.  Otherwise, go with 75% fuel and the light ammo package.  DO NOT rtb when you're down to 10 minnutes of fuel and 200 rounds per bank.  This is when you are most lethal.  This is when you are a Spit47.  

[Zacherof]

All these years and I don't think to try that. I know what I'm doing tomorrow now.

[Ninthmessiah]

For some reason I can't modify my post.  Anyways, I take back what I said about the N jug as a jabo plane.  At 50% fuel, it gives you about the same flight time as a D40 at 100% fuel, but climbs about 100ft/min better on wep.  The N jug may be my new fav jabo. 

[Randy1]

The N with 25% fuel, a full load of ammo two thousand pound'ers, a five hundred pound'er, and ten rockets is one slow climber but if you get there without being jumped, you can ruin some GV red guy's night.

Once in awhile, I mind myself in a perfect 47 furbal where me and everybody else is on the deck in a crowded sky and I can pitch the P47 up in WEP climbing, low, hard, rudder assisted  turn  just off the deck with a pop of flap at the top.  Kind of like flying in a shallow soup bowl. That is some kind of fun till the WEP runs out.  The N seems to do well because it heads to the ground like a rock.

[bozon]

At 50% fuel, it gives you about the same flight time as a D40 at 100% fuel,  

50% in the N is the same flight time as 75% in the D40.

but climbs about 100ft/min better on wep.

...and much worse on MIL. The N completely relies on its WEP for fighting or fleeing, never waste it on the climb out unless you have a long long travel to the target during which the WEP can cool. If you arrive at the target with little WEP time left, you would have been better off coming in a D40.

The N jug may be my new fav jabo.

The D40 will get you and your ord faster to the target. N will get you out of there faster.
Of course, if you were smart and saved your WEP, the N makes a better fighter after releasing the ord.

[Wolfala]

I kill everyone equally well in both. And I haven't logged in for six months up until a week ago

[Krusty]

Bozon, the climb on the N is equal to the D40 when off-wep when at similar weight loadings. The main differences are the charts on the N include full fuel so folks always claim it's way worse. It's not. It's like comparing a P-51D with 100% fuel and 2 DTs to a P-51B that has 25% internally.... sure the charts will look different, but it's not a useful baseline to establish!

As for the convergence, if you think it's THAT bad, it's in your head. They aren't that much further out than on the other jugs. The plug/insert into each wing was only something on the order of 10 inches. The guns themselves are staggered over more distance than that!

In ANY plane if you're saddling up on a yak point blank when your guns are set to 300, you're not going to do crap. That's just a sad fact of jugs, ponies, and about 1/3 the planes in this game. Even in a standard jug you're only going to barely hit one of his wingtips.

And if you're monkeying your rudder about to get a 10-yard shot with guns set to 300, so that ONE of your wings' guns hits the fuselage or cockpit, while wasting all your E and half your ammo, you're just doing it wrong.

[bozon]

Bozon, the climb on the N is equal to the D40 when off-wep when at similar weight loadings. The main differences are the charts on the N include full fuel so folks always claim it's way worse. It's not. It's like comparing a P-51D with 100% fuel and 2 DTs to a P-51B that has 25% internally.... sure the charts will look different, but it's not a useful baseline to establish!

I am not looking at the charts. My baseline is 50% N vs. 75% D40 which gives the same flight time on MIL. I haven't touched the N in ages, so to my recollection, the N is the slower climber. More weight and more wet area for the same power does not look promising for the N. Easy enough to test tonight.

As for the convergence, if you think it's THAT bad, it's in your head. They aren't that much further out than on the other jugs. The plug/insert into each wing was only something on the order of 10 inches. The guns themselves are staggered over more distance than that!

The overall wingspan increased by about 10 inches (per wing), but that included chopping the wingtips to square them. The added inner section was 18 inches, which means that the baseline of the guns was increase by 36 inches (0.9 meter). This is not huge, but not insignificant either.

And if you're monkeying your rudder about to get a 10-yard shot with guns set to 300, so that ONE of your wings' guns hits the fuselage or cockpit, while wasting all your E and half your ammo, you're just doing it wrong.

I try to follow old spit ace "screwball" tactic: kick the rudder so you have one set of guns pointing at the pilot's head and the other set up his oscar.

J/K, if he is 10 yards in front I do not waste any ammo. I just skillfully ram him.