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Offline Zacherof

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190 gondolas or lack there of
« on: January 27, 2013, 08:22:05 PM »
Why don't we have them? :headscratch:
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Offline Karnak

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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 08:47:53 PM »
Did any see service?  All I recall seeing was test installations that didn't get used.
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 09:32:35 PM »
The twin MG 151/20 gondolas did see service but were later replaced by the outer-wing MK 108 gunships.
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 01:16:16 AM »
The only gondolas you could argue for the Fw190 would be the twin 20mm packs, and those saw some service but weren't used much because they slowed the plane down and weighed it down too much. They were used against US bombers in some areas.

Whereas Ubisoft's IL2 series has a bajillion BS gunpods listed for the FWs and BFs, almost NONE of them saw service... ever... I think this is just a matter of "saw it in another game, want it here".
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 07:59:47 PM »
This was a read it, wonder where it's at
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2013, 03:36:33 AM »
What book did you read it in? What exactly did it say about the Gondolas? Have any other books mentioned them?

All of these questions will help the community to help you out a bit more. Taking a scan of the page and posting it up here would be even better
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2013, 03:25:11 AM »
Let me get back to you on this 1. Ill need to go to my local library to findem for you.
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2013, 07:45:37 AM »
The WB 151 dual cannon pack was used operationaly by JG 11 (there is known FW 190 A5/U12 Wnr. 410266, flown by Leutnant Erich Hondt, 2./JG 11 in Husum Oktober 1943)





(Not that I would want anymore weight on those wings).


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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2013, 10:50:29 AM »
Quote from: Stampf on February 18, 2013, 07:45:37 AM
The WB 151 dual cannon pack was used operationaly by JG 11 (there is known FW 190 A5/U12 Wnr. 410266, flown by Leutnant Erich Hondt, 2./JG 11 in Husum Oktober 1943)


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(Not that I would want anymore weight on those wings).


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Curious, the A-5 with the clean wing had 2 x 20s per wing. Yet in the photo its only a single 20 in the wing root and then the 2x20 pod. Wonder why the internal 20 was deleted when the 20 pod was attached and not just kept in place to complement the 20 pod. Performance being like a pregnant yak something to do with it?
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2013, 12:05:03 PM »
Quote from: Wolfala on February 18, 2013, 10:50:29 AM
Curious, the A-5 with the clean wing had 2 x 20s per wing. Yet in the photo its only a single 20 in the wing root and then the 2x20 pod. Wonder why the internal 20 was deleted when the 20 pod was attached and not just kept in place to complement the 20 pod. Performance being like a pregnant yak something to do with it?
Isn't the outer 20mm in the A-5 way out on the wing and is a MG/FF?  Also, I understood not all A-5s carried the MG/FF outer cannons.
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2013, 12:08:38 PM »
6x20mms...If I am at 25k (which could burn the drop tank getting there) and the buffs are 17-10k, I could get three good, clean passes. That would mean I have the E to blow through the escorts, pull up, nose over and get two more passes.

After that, maybe even before that, it is a race to the deck and ack-cover with limited ability to fight.

My guess is this was learned the hardway and why only a few examples were used.
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2013, 01:11:53 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on February 18, 2013, 12:05:03 PM
Isn't the outer 20mm in the A-5 way out on the wing and is a MG/FF?  

Yes it is and it's mostly worthless.
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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2013, 03:24:45 PM »
20mm FF used against buffs are not worthless in AH.

I like the 190-A series look  :rock

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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2013, 06:16:55 PM »
Quote from: save on February 18, 2013, 03:24:45 PM

I like the 190-A series look  :rock


How could you not.

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Re: 190 gondolas or lack there of
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2013, 07:20:34 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on February 18, 2013, 12:05:03 PM
Isn't the outer 20mm in the A-5 way out on the wing and is a MG/FF?  Also, I understood not all A-5s carried the MG/FF outer cannons.

Yes, they are MG/FFs. IIRC, A5s with the outboard cannons were a minority in the field, despite that being their base armament.
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