Puffy Ack Whine Thread - WARNING: pictures

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wouldn't it be closer to RL ,IF bombers flying straight for the CV, they would pay the penalty for it ? if you followed the buff set ,it would be your funeral as well,

The game would change to dive bombing the CV, with heavy singe/twin engine fighters, not  killed by buffs  flying slow and straight for the CV in formation.
My 2 cents.

[Pand]

wouldn't it be closer to RL ,IF bombers flying straight for the CV, they would pay the penalty for it ? if you followed the buff set ,it would be your funeral as well,

The game would change to dive bombing the CV, with heavy singe/twin engine fighters, not  killed by buffs  flying slow and straight for the CV in formation.
My 2 cents.

I like that idea, however I don't think HTC will change the hit % of auto puffy on buffs

[Chalenge]

I don't think you can show where the average number of shots fired to hits against bombers is changed in any way by their direction of flight.

There was a reason that defensive fighters did not often attack inside of the flack killing fields. It is actually easier in AH from everything I have read.

[Pand]

There was a reason that defensive fighters did not often attack inside of the flack killing fields. It is actually easier in AH from everything I have read.

True, but in real life straight and level buffs in on a cv would have likely been torn apart where here in the game the auto puffy will almost NEVER down a buff.

Something needs to change...

[MrRiplEy[H]]

True, but in real life straight and level buffs in on a cv would have likely been torn apart where here in the game the auto puffy will almost NEVER down a buff.

Something needs to change...

Just man the 88mm. Straight flying buff is easy pickins for it.

[715]

Just man the 88mm. Straight flying buff is easy pickins for it.

??  there's no 88 mm on the CV.  And have you ever actually tried to hit anything with the 88 mm (or the 5" on the CV for that matter)?

[Ack-Ack]

In real life, wouldn't they cease firing, if friendly planes were moving in to attack enemy planes?

No, the gunners would still keep on firing until the threat has passed, regardless if there was a friendly plane in the AAA zone making an attack on a bandit.

ack-ack

[SkyRock]

No, the gunners would still keep on firing until the threat has passed, regardless if there was a friendly plane in the AAA zone making an attack on a bandit.

ack-ack

This is true, I think I read where McCampbell dove in behiind some enemy dive bombers as they went into their dive and his friendly ack was shooting at them and he said he was scared he was going to be hit by his own gunners...

 

[Vinkman]

No, the gunners would still keep on firing until the threat has passed, regardless if there was a friendly plane in the AAA zone making an attack on a bandit.

ack-ack

But in real life the gunners were lethal. Puffy isn't.

[Pand]

Let me see if I can summarize my take on all this:

Auto Puffy is ineffective against enemy buffs.  It does not down them nor prevent them from dropping their ordnance.  The only thing it is good for is occasionally downing friendlies that are actively trying to engage the threat to the cv group.  This in no way benefits the cv group defensively.

I believe there are multiple options here:
  1.  Either remove the puffy vs buffs because it doesn't do anything except occasionally help the enemy buffs (pretty sure that is not the intent).
  2.  Code the auto puffy to become more accurate vs enemies the longer you fly straight and level.  Every time the enemy varies a certain % of their direction and altitude, the auto puffy will have to recalibrate the lead/alt of their position.  This would encourage an actual attack from dive bombers and torpedo bombers to down a CV group as utilized in WW2.

Disclaimers/Assumptions:
  1.  Yes, we all understand a 5" gunner can hit the buffs (but we're not talking about manned guns here, we're talking about auto puffy).
  2.  Yes, we all understand friendly fire happened in WW2; however, I'd be willing to bet puffy downed more buffs than friendly defenders, otherwise why would they use it?
  3.  We are not talking about enemy fighters here, only buffs.  The code for fighters already seems effective enough to disable an enemy fighter quickly. 

[Scotch]

Flak now targets bombers in preference to fighters.  A fighter must be at least half the distance of the bomber before the flak will target the fighter over the bomber.

Flak will stop firing at at enemy planes that have a friendly plane within 1000 yards of it.  It will either switch to a different target or stop firing if no other targets are available.

[Pand]

Wish Granted!! Sweet!

[Bino]

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In real life, wouldn't they cease firing, if friendly planes were moving in to attack enemy planes?
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Nope. 

Read any tactical account of CV battles in the PTO (i.e. "Clash of the Carriers" by Tillman & Coonts) and you'll find at least one description of USN interceptors flying into friendly fire to chase IJN attackers.

[Bruv119]

Flak now targets bombers in preference to fighters.  A fighter must be at least half the distance of the bomber before the flak will target the fighter over the bomber.

Flak will stop firing at at enemy planes that have a friendly plane within 1000 yards of it.  It will either switch to a different target or stop firing if no other targets are available.

hallelujah!!    

this was done within 2 days of suggesting WHY??? have we suffered many a      all these years    was this for your own perverted amusement!!??

Looking forward to examining the effects of the changes  

[Chalenge]

Yes Bruv your whines have now officially lamified AH. Fighters no longer have anything to fear from attacking bombers in puffy ack while the pilot is busy and head down. So, the next whine will be:

"Fighters that shoot bombers down get too many points for no threat of danger." When that changes the lamification will continue until only girl scouts and den mothers like this game.