Author Topic: Through the Pillars of Fire - Convergence Tactic  (Read 1137 times)

Offline stealth

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Through the Pillars of Fire - Convergence Tactic
« on: February 02, 2013, 02:23:37 AM »
I remember seeing a pretty impressive tactic awhile ago. It really made me furious as well since it only works against aircraft that have guns at either side of their wing. Before you start asking questions this tactic is pretty much a last resort when it comes to air combat tactics. For this tactic to work you need to first be close to your enemy, very close. What else is needed is for you to turn your aircraft so that it presents as little to the enemy's sights as possible. By that you should only be presenting one wing to the enemy's sights and simply fly through as he/she fires at you. You know when it will work because you'll be seeing tracers fly so close to your canopy you can grab them.

With again the enemy aircraft only have guns stationed on the wings. Since there is a small distance between both left and right gun sides, where there is no gun. It is possible for your aircraft to fly right between those guns even as the enemy is firing his weapons, with his sights aiming right at you. With out you even sustaining a single hit.

Pretty basic in theory not very practical or useful in some terms. Mostly because you and the enemy opponent need to be in the right position for it to work. If your too far away the bullets will simply meet their convergence point and light you like a Roman candle. It's in some terms a rare tactic. However I must say it has saved my bacon and the bacon of my enemies more than once. Either by pure dumb luck or superior 360 degree awareness. It can prove to be useful to those who know how to use it.

Well there it is, what do you think?
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Re: Through the Pillars of Fire - Convergence Tactic
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 03:56:31 AM »
Now I'm no flying ace or gunnery expert, but the fact is that convergence is always an issue on aircraft with wing based guns. Setting it to a preset distance is pure player preference. After all you want the bullets to converge at the distance you feel comfortable to shoot at, not shoot at what the convergence is set to.

With convergence the bullet streams are supposed to converge at a given point X yards out ahead of the aeroplane. The bullets fly a cross shaped arc where the mid point is your convergence setting. So if the target is closer or further than the convergence setting there will be a seperation of the streams occuring. However, thats not really a game-breaker (unless you are taking of firing on a target thats waaaaay out of convergence dstance). Remember we are not shooting laser beams from intertially stabilised phaser banks  :D so you will also have gun dispersion and gravity drop as factors (yes, theres a difference between the allied / german / japanese / russion 20mm variants).

All in all gunnery in aircraft with cernterline guns is a little bit easier.

As for your little tip there, its definitely useful. I seem to do often enough (when upping from a capped field or defending against a picking alt monkey). Its not however that you are flying between the bullet streams (that would more than likely entail a collision on at least one or both ends, since most people's convergence is set to 300-400). The more prominent factors would be gravity drop, gun dispersion and poor aiming. Remember if you have the target in your sights, and you are maneuvering, there's a very poor chance that your bullets will actually hit anything. They will most likely just lag the target and pass on by behind it. You need to lead the target and for long range shots even compensate for gravity drop. During aggressive turn fighting, often enough I end up firing once the target disappears below my nose.

So yes, if you find yourself in a position where you can't evade the shot, point your aircraft to present the smallest profile to the attacker (smaller target = hard to hit), and yank you aircraft to its limits (moving target =  harder to hit). Often enough the enemy may not be able to follow your last ditch maneuver and will either break off the attack or miss entirely. Remember though, its only when you've got no other choice.
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Re: Through the Pillars of Fire - Convergence Tactic
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 02:50:43 AM »
I use the tactic described on a regular basis, if it works it can lead to nasty reversals.

like someone is diving on you from a close distance, you pull up like mad while rolling to present your side, and finish your roll behind the enemy. It's dangerous because you will be giving a shot to the enemy, but sometimes you have to give something to have something ;)
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Re: Through the Pillars of Fire - Convergence Tactic
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 07:31:57 PM »
One would do better by properly setting up your shots to happen at convergence.

If you are flying the MA then shots should happen at 300 to 600. Track the enemy and use low or hi yoyo into a good canopy shot and boom AT YOUR CONV setting. If you miss then extend out and try again....loosing E for second and third shots is death.

Driving up a tail pipe is a bad idea...either you miss or collide and loose your E stick stirring to get a shot.

If you are flying a dual 1v1 then set conv close at 200 or even less and plan for close crossing shots.

In the MA trying to track to dead six is just gonna get you killed.


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Re: Through the Pillars of Fire - Convergence Tactic
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 11:12:45 PM »
One would do better by properly setting up your shots to happen at convergence.

If you are flying the MA then shots should happen at 300 to 600. Track the enemy and use low or hi yoyo into a good canopy shot and boom AT YOUR CONV setting. If you miss then extend out and try again....loosing E for second and third shots is death.

Driving up a tail pipe is a bad idea...either you miss or collide and loose your E stick stirring to get a shot.

If you are flying a dual 1v1 then set conv close at 200 or even less and plan for close crossing shots.

In the MA trying to track to dead six is just gonna get you killed.


It's funny because I remember this tactic because you waxed me when using it.   :eek:
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Re: Through the Pillars of Fire - Convergence Tactic
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 01:51:31 AM »
{snip} After all you want the bullets to converge at the distance you feel comfortable to shoot at, not shoot at what the convergence is set to.



This is very wise advice, thank you Hazard. I will remember this quote.
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Re: Through the Pillars of Fire - Convergence Tactic
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 02:28:10 AM »

This is very wise advice, thank you Hazard. I will remember this quote.

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