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Offline tuton25

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Formations of TBMs and Kates
« on: February 11, 2013, 09:10:40 PM »
How bout it???
The TBM can carrie the same load as a boston III with better defenses but slower
Well that kate would be a little better to.....
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2013, 08:31:01 AM »
Prolly because of the grief trying to launch and land formations off cv's
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 07:23:32 AM »
it would make it easier to survive in the tbm plus people would use it more for cv based missions
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 03:12:48 PM »
I see the logic behind the TBM with level bombing and torpedo capability, but how would you suggest modeling dive bomber formations for particularly the diveing and dropping part?
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 05:05:30 PM »
Neither the Kate, nor the TBM are dive bombers.
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 05:08:25 PM »
Quote from: palef on February 14, 2013, 05:05:30 PM
Neither the Kate, nor the TBM are dive bombers.

Dive/glide.  I don't recal the Kate having a bombsight is my point, and I'll bet a lunch that 9 out of 10 times a Kate hit a target with a bomb that they have to nose down.
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 05:09:34 PM »
The Kate does and I've used it to bomb SBs and VHs. I never bomb nose down in a Kate, but then I am a dick. Obviously.
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 02:38:42 PM »
Quote from: sparky1 on February 14, 2013, 07:23:32 AM
it would make it easier to survive in the tbm plus people would use it more for cv based missions
The TBM can only survive by maneuvering. The gunners are just too limited and do not have enough firepower to make a difference. Attacking a formation of TBMs means 3 easy kills or two free kills and one maneuvering target. An unloaded TBM can surprise quite a few fighters with its 2*0.5 forward guns.

Having said that, there is no real reason that the TBM should not get the formation option, except for the technical difficulty of making formation T/O & land on CVs. If there is no easy solution to that issue, then it is not worth the effort to implement for just two very lightly used planes.
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 05:26:03 PM »
Quote from: palef on February 14, 2013, 05:09:34 PM
The Kate does and I've used it to bomb SBs and VHs. I never bomb nose down in a Kate, but then I am a dick. Obviously.

Ah, then it's the Val that must not have it.  Interesting, I'll have to try it out next time I'm in the mood for being a masochist (seriously, I didn't know it had the sight, now im intrigued).

Quote from: bozon on February 15, 2013, 02:38:42 PM
The TBM can only survive by maneuvering. The gunners are just too limited and do not have enough firepower to make a difference. Attacking a formation of TBMs means 3 easy kills or two free kills and one maneuvering target. An unloaded TBM can surprise quite a few fighters with its 2*0.5 forward guns.

Having said that, there is no real reason that the TBM should not get the formation option, except for the technical difficulty of making formation T/O & land on CVs. If there is no easy solution to that issue, then it is not worth the effort to implement for just two very lightly used planes.

The combined defensive firepower of three TBMs is greater than that of a number of other bombers currently with formation capability....   :headscratch:
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 05:39:47 PM »
Quote from: Babalonian on February 15, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
The combined defensive firepower of three TBMs is greater than that of a number of other bombers currently with formation capability....   :headscratch:


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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2013, 11:48:49 AM »
Quote from: Babalonian on February 15, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
The combined defensive firepower of three TBMs is greater than that of a number of other bombers currently with formation capability....   :headscratch:
The guns are still useless. Last time I flew Bostons I quickly realized how useless the turrets are. After Sandman in a 262 and another K4 killed 2 of my formation I was finally released to maneuver. The 262 was sure I was about to die and left, and I proceeded to shoot the K4 down using the two forward fixed .303s. Did not count as a kill because the K4 crashed between the trees and we were close enough to his base for it to count as a ditch. The last Boston safely slipped away and returned to base.

TBMs are fun to dogfight when unloaded. They also have a cute trick they can do with rockets that no other plane can.
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2013, 02:00:45 PM »
Quote from: Babalonian on February 15, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
Ah, then it's the Val that must not have it.  Interesting, I'll have to try it out next time I'm in the mood for being a masochist (seriously, I didn't know it had the sight, now im intrigued).


It has one of them SAP bomb thingies.
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2013, 05:21:20 PM »
The B5N2 can carry an 800kg AP bomb.  A formation of those, bombing accurately, would take out a hangar.
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2013, 05:30:39 PM »
Quote from: bozon on February 17, 2013, 11:48:49 AM


TBMs are fun to dogfight when unloaded. They also have a cute trick they can do with rockets that no other plane can.
.              And what trick might that be?
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Re: Formations of TBMs and Kates
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2013, 08:08:57 PM »
This thread wasn't good enough for you?

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345539.0.html

Just wondering why we need two of these.
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