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Offline GScholz

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This is a disgrace...
« on: February 12, 2013, 07:26:12 AM »
After 16 years with DEVGRU they just dump him with nothing to show for it.

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2013, 08:03:20 AM »
From the article I read it appears there is nothing wrong. The SEAL was not in long enough to get the full retirement benefits. 

Being unemployed and with no benefits is not all that unusual for people leaving the military, especially if all they've known is combat arms.

I'm not sure how this is a disgrace?  Because he chose to get out? Because he chose not to go active/inactive reserve? Because he chooses not to get a job?

I give this SEAL a lot of credit and he has all my respects, but just what needs to be done to make this "right" if no wrong has been done?   
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Offline GScholz

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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2013, 10:22:12 AM »
I don't subscribe to your logic that "done by the book" equals "right". The fact that, as you say, "being unemployed and with no benefits is not all that unusual for people leaving the military" is a clear indication that something is very wrong.
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 10:25:13 AM »
I don't subscribe to your logic that "done by the book" equals "right". The fact that, as you say, "being unemployed and with no benefits is not all that unusual for people leaving the military" is a clear indication that something is very wrong.
The currect requirements  were not met. should the requirements change? Is the average taxpayer okay to change the requirements? Should there be exceptions to the requirrements? Will the guy that served in the ships galley for 16 years take exception to the exceptions?
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Offline GScholz

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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 10:30:37 AM »
This man served 16 years in perhaps the most dangerous unit in your armed forces. He shot OBL in the face. He gets nothing?
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 10:34:45 AM »
This man served 16 years in perhaps the most dangerous unit in your armed forces. He shot OBL in the face. He gets nothing?
Hey Im not saying its not an awesome thing he did but  what exceptions to the rules should be made? How is it fair to the other's that serve but served in a different capacity, or even to others that have gone in harms way?  This guy will save a ton of money on drinks alone.
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 10:36:29 AM »
Double post here is  a lawldog to atone

« Last Edit: February 12, 2013, 10:38:15 AM by Nathan60 »
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 10:39:31 AM »
I don't subscribe to your logic that "done by the book" equals "right". The fact that, as you say, "being unemployed and with no benefits is not all that unusual for people leaving the military" is a clear indication that something is very wrong.

Those are the rules.

He knew and still does know them.

Yes, it is wrong.

Please come fix it.
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Offline GScholz

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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 10:40:22 AM »
I guess I'm just used to a different reward system for national service.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2013, 10:42:59 AM »
I guess I'm just used to a different reward system for national service.

We also do not have Fjords...

Norway must be an awesome place.  :aok
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2013, 10:53:53 AM »
I guess I'm just used to a different reward system for national service.
But youre not stating why the rules should be bent to allow for what you are arguing. How can you justify bending the rules when there are ,many that serve that are just as deserving. What would be the argument to vhange the rules and can the govt afford to change those rules, can the taxpayer?
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2013, 11:18:29 AM »
We also do not have Fjords...

*Norway must be an awesome place.  :aok
*Disclaimer: Even though they essentially surrendered to the Germans in WW2.

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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2013, 11:38:25 AM »
*Disclaimer: Even though they essentially surrendered to the Germans in WW2.

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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2013, 11:43:44 AM »
After 16 years with DEVGRU they just dump him with nothing to show for it.

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313

You have to serve 20 years in order to get a pension, unless you are medically retired.  This isn't anything new.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/esquire-seal-bin-laden-151615575.html

Offline GScholz

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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2013, 11:48:46 AM »
We also do not have Fjords...

Norway must be an awesome place.  :aok

That is an injustice I can correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_fjords_of_the_United_States
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