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Offline Nathan60

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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2013, 01:00:50 PM »
It's a digression. If you start your own thread on "technological evolved countries and whale hunting" I'll be happy to comment in more detail.
 Point is are you advocating changing the requirements and where would the money come from? This sentence removed d/t to stinky
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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2013, 01:01:19 PM »
I think usually you need children to get welfare. Rigth now I would guess we have as many people unemployed as you have in total population, also we are a little more technologically evolved. We can't just go out and shoot a narwal to stock the fridge.
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2013, 01:08:06 PM »
 Point is are you advocating changing the requirements and where would the money come from? This sentence removed d/t to stinky

I'm not advocating changing the requirements of military pension. I'm saying soldiers who leave the service (honorably) should get some kind of financial support until they find civilian work. Big difference.

People who work in other occupations do get such benefits in your country; it is called "unemployment compensation".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_benefits#United_States
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2013, 01:45:08 PM »
Referring to the article, I certainly am not going to make assumptions as to the validity of the guy, he may well be everything he claims to be and if so then he deserves a huge  :salute as do all the guys in the team. There are however some glaringly questionable  parts to the printed testimony, not least his surprise at how tall Bin Laden was, when they had apparently trained incessantly to recognise their targets at a glance and yet he still mentioned twice how surprised he was that he was so tall. If someone tells me a guy is 6'3" I doubt it would be a shock when I actually saw him
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2013, 02:06:04 PM »
I'm not advocating changing the requirements of military pension. I'm saying soldiers who leave the service (honorably) should get some kind of financial support until they find civilian work. Big difference.

People who work in other occupations do get such benefits in your country; it is called "unemployment compensation".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_benefits#United_States
http://www.vets4veterans.com/Unemployment.htm

Pehaps you shouldnt trust wiki as your go to source for things in a foreign country.
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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2013, 02:37:37 PM »
You know... You're right. Perhaps I should instead post on a forum where people from said foreign country hang out... Oh wait.

I've actually learned a lot from this thread.  :aok
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2013, 02:57:15 PM »
You know... You're right. Perhaps I should instead post on a forum where people from said foreign country hang out... Oh wait.

I've actually learned a lot from this thread.  :aok

Is it to do a very basic search on for easily obtained information? I have no recourse to view this as a failed troll. From the agressive wording in your op to your just throwing wiki out as some type of answer.
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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2013, 03:51:46 PM »
If this thread is a troll, who exactly am I trying to troll?
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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2013, 04:28:15 PM »
If this thread is a troll, who exactly am I trying to troll?
Im not taking that bait.
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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2013, 04:46:56 PM »
I was no SEAL by any means I was just an Air Force wing wiper.. I got out after 16 years taking the early separation bonus during the post Desert Storm military down sizing. I thought I'd get rich as a civi.  ;)

 The years don't matter if you do not retire once you walk out that gate for the last time.. Its over. No Medical Insurance no BX no Commissary no Life Insurance No Monthly Check. You don't get to use your rank as a title like[Rank Here]USAF RET or [Rank Here] USN RET in this guy's case. It is not like they hide this from you when you decide to separate instead of retire. It was explained to me multiple times before I separated. It is still a bit of a shock because after that amount of time you are used to the way the military operates and the civilian world is a mysterious mess. I do wish this American hero all the best and I deeply appreciate his service and sacrifices. I do hope a wonderful enriching life awaits him as a civilian.  :salute

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2013, 04:48:56 PM »
Im not taking that bait.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

I spotted the article on our veterans association FB page and thought it was objective. Apparently it isn't. I also thought it would be of interest to people here. Now, I'm sure you know what you can go do with yourself.
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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2013, 05:29:29 PM »
Yeah, that's what I thought.

I spotted the article on our veterans association FB page and thought it was objective. Apparently it isn't. I also thought it would be of interest to people here. Now, I'm sure you know what you can go do with yourself.
OK sorry I must have mistaken your intentions your OP could be as incitful(not insight but incite) as changeups post from the other night. Its a post on another gov'ts policies, by someone that doesnt live in that country using questionable links on a topic that could easily stir emotions. You had to know in this enviroment it wouldnt be civil for long. Im not trying tro be uncivil Im just questioning your motives.
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2013, 05:30:28 PM »
He served, as many of us have. He volunteered and served with an elite unit, as many have.
He was put in a position to do his job that he was trained for, as many have.
He got out before his retirement eligibility, which many have.
The big difference? He stands to make millions of dollars in the near future,
by doing what he was trained and paid to do, which many do not have a chance to.
I salute him for a job well done, as many have.
I don't however feel sorry for him, he knew the retirement regulations as far as time requirements,
 regardless of Unit, Rank, Missions you were involved in.
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2013, 05:32:27 PM »
He served, as many of us have. He volunteered and served with an elite unit, as many have.
He was put in a position to do his job that he was trained for, as many have.
He got out before his retirement eligibility, which many have.
The big difference? He stands to make millions of dollars in the near future,
by doing what he was trained and paid to do, which many do not have a chance to.
I salute him for a job well done, as many have.
I don't however feel sorry for him, he knew the retirement regulations as far as time requirements,
 regardless of Unit, Rank, Missions you were involved in.
                                                                                                                                       :cheers: Oz
Well said.
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Re: This is a disgrace...
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2013, 05:47:52 PM »
He served, as many of us have. He volunteered and served with an elite unit, as many have.
He was put in a position to do his job that he was trained for, as many have.
He got out before his retirement eligibility, which many have.
The big difference? He stands to make millions of dollars in the near future,
by doing what he was trained and paid to do, which many do not have a chance to.
I salute him for a job well done, as many have.
I don't however feel sorry for him, he knew the retirement regulations as far as time requirements,
 regardless of Unit, Rank, Missions you were involved in.
                                                                                                                                       :cheers: Oz
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