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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2013, 05:07:46 PM »

I have had to leave the P47 and P38 ranks and go to a P51 for survival.  Yes i do use the speed to escape and gain E back before I return but a guy has to do what a guy has to do to stay in the game.  I know their are squadrons of 109s and 190s but with the other independents the numbers seem higher.

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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2013, 05:21:39 PM »
LOL Changeup! I rarely survive. But I could do so a lot more if I made the effort. Randy1 is a good dude. He's got the right attitude. He needs to stay out of that crutch 51 though.
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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2013, 05:52:21 PM »
I just Googled this "survival" term.  Strange word and I am having a hard time seeing how it fits into AH?  I normally end a sortie in a spinning ball of flames.  Hopefully theres more than 1 red guy around so I can blame a gang instead owning up to my subpar SA & questionable decision making.

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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2013, 06:24:20 PM »
Poppycock!


Agreed have flown the 38 much, although as of late been flying the K4 as a new thilla, no reason you cannot learn to pwn in the 38s, just need to learn the way to fly around the Lufts.

Fly with the 80th for a bit they will so you...........

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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2013, 10:18:33 PM »
SAPP motto: "We may kill you, but don't worry -- we won't ever get to land the kills!"



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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2013, 11:50:22 PM »
Let's not forget the social considerations.  :old:

Dweebs fly Spits.

Cool kids fly 109's.

Peer pressure is terrible.   :old:

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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2013, 01:55:32 AM »
Pffft.

Dismissive.  I like it.

Let us now hear your rebuttal.   :x
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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2013, 05:48:54 AM »
Das Muppets set the trend. Everyone wants to be us or beat us. Either way, I love the attention.

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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2013, 10:20:46 AM »
LOL Changeup! I rarely survive. But I could do so a lot more if I made the effort. Randy1 is a good dude. He's got the right attitude. He needs to stay out of that crutch 51 though.

I appreciate your humility...it doesn't exist much in this game, but this ^^^^ simply is not true because I've seen you 100+ times walk out of "that" situation and land.  Now, your JUG is shot to hell, but its limping along!  :rofl :salute
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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2013, 11:30:53 AM »
LOL Changeup! I rarely survive. But I could do so a lot more if I made the effort. Randy1 is a good dude. He's got the right attitude. He needs to stay out of that crutch 51 though.

Thanks for the good dude.  ;)   think you have burned my buttt more than once but it was good fight.  I keep trying the 38 and I didagain last night.  You are right on the 51 crutch thing.  If you fly a 38 or a 47 you had better push the plane and yourself hard and that has really helped my skill level.  In a furball if I can get a rhythm  of high yo-yo's going in the P38 and I have wep I can be pretty good.  When I get pinched by one spit and loose E then I seem to be a sitting duck for the next spit or 109.

As I see it the 51 does give you an option to speed away and up for a better E position and you can close faster which means less time fixed on a target. 

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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2013, 11:57:37 AM »
Thanks for the good dude.  ;)   think you have burned my buttt more than once but it was good fight.  I keep trying the 38 and I didagain last night.  You are right on the 51 crutch thing.  If you fly a 38 or a 47 you had better push the plane and yourself hard and that has really helped my skill level.  In a furball if I can get a rhythm  of high yo-yo's going in the P38 and I have wep I can be pretty good.  When I get pinched by one spit and loose E then I seem to be a sitting duck for the next spit or 109.

As I see it the 51 does give you an option to speed away and up for a better E position and you can close faster which means less time fixed on a target. 
If you're a little more selective on how you enter a furball, you can give yourself more options as the fight degrades. This can be accomplished with just about any plane without having the pure get away speed the 51 carries. Your P-38 Kung fu is pretty strong. With a couple adjustments, you'll be in the SAPP category and pretty lethal.
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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2013, 02:30:24 PM »
If you're a little more selective on how you enter a furball, you can give yourself more options as the fight degrades. This can be accomplished with just about any plane without having the pure get away speed the 51 carries. Your P-38 Kung fu is pretty strong. With a couple adjustments, you'll be in the SAPP category and pretty lethal.

You hit the nail right on the head.  I need to work on that.  My ability to select the right entry into a furball is getting better but still not good.   Once I get too deep I start loosing SA and when I do that, I waist E and as all know, E is life in a furball or for that matter, any dogfight. 

Another problem is that decision point on the deck to flat turn low g or high g or try to reverse with a high yoyo.  Latrobe had made note in another post that a high yo-yo can be a real looser sometimes.

You got me cranked.  Next time back in the MA I will go back to the P38.  Maybe even find me a 109 or two.   :joystick: :aok

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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2013, 05:15:27 PM »
You hit the nail right on the head.  I need to work on that.  My ability to select the right entry into a furball is getting better but still not good.   Once I get too deep I start loosing SA and when I do that, I waist E and as all know, E is life in a furball or for that matter, any dogfight. 

Yes to E in a furball.

1 v 1 though, if you have more E than the con than sometimes dumping it works well, depending on the position and what plane you're flying. It's risky though, and maybe smarter players don't do it.



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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2013, 08:26:43 PM »
Some more stuff...

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(190s includes Ta 152H, Spits includes Seafire)



On a related note...
Would it be of any interest if I would create a kind of  'Lusche's Stats' megathread? In the past 5 years I have made countless statistics and charts, but most of them are just buried in long forgotten threads all over the BBS, even though their content might still be of interest. That thread would be a place where I could always post such snippets in, and it probably wouldn't entirely disappear from the forum surface.

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I would really like a compilation of those stats, whatever they are. I love stats!  :D

On another note. What caused the large decrease in spitfire usage starting in 2009?

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Re: Rash of 109s and 190s
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2013, 09:07:15 PM »
On another note. What caused the large decrease in spitfire usage starting in 2009?


I really don't know. There wasn't any internal factor, like remodeling any plane or a general change of the flight model.

But here's some nice food for thought: We had a significant reduction in the AH population after 2009, especially in 2010. Which coincidentally matches the 'decline' of the Spitfire. Or is it not coincidentally at all?  :noid
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