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Offline bozon

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The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« on: February 19, 2013, 10:58:36 AM »
At least this is the message that one gets in the Mk.VI when trying to open the bomb bay doors - if bombs were not selected in the hangar.
If on the other hand I select bombs, then drop them, the empty bomb bay opens just fine.

The reason I want an empty bomb bay to open is to use it as a diving speed breaks. For some reason our Mk.VI sheds parts when over 480 TAS and this helps in slowing it down. Some real Mosquito night fighters used the bay doors as speed breaks to assist in slowing down behind their target.
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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2013, 02:09:45 PM »
Up with bombs.....get on runway......open doors...drop bombs....close doors....take off.....fixed :aok
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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2013, 02:52:24 PM »
Up with bombs.....get on runway......open doors...drop bombs....close doors....take off.....fixed :aok
Not quite.  The doors still exist even if there is nothing in them.

This is also a bug on the B-25H and the A-20.

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2013, 04:19:17 PM »
I request HTC change the message on relevant aircraft to "oh no you don't, Mossies don't have dive breaks".
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 02:22:37 AM »
I request HTC change the message on relevant aircraft to "oh no you don't, Mossies don't have dive breaks".

 :rofl :rofl
But that's a tad aircraft specific...how about a simple 'Don't bother, there's nothing in there!'  :lol :lol
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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 04:52:09 AM »
I request HTC change the message on relevant aircraft to "oh no you don't, Mossies don't have dive breaks".

Opening the bomb bay doors and dropping the gear was used operationally to add drag when necessary.


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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 06:31:01 PM »
Opening the bomb bay doors and dropping the gear was used operationally to add drag when necessary.

As dive breaks though?

 Not quite the same thing.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2013, 06:48:54 PM »
Similar to the gear on the corsair.

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2013, 07:02:59 PM »
So you want to CREATE a totally fake loophole in the game because you're trying to do stuff you shouldn't?

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2013, 07:21:36 PM »
if it was done in real life then I dn't see why not
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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2013, 07:23:52 PM »
He's talking about using it for a 480mph speed brake because he's diving faster than he should. At those speeds the doors probably wouldn't function or would rip off (possibly damaging the plane from the 480mph shift in flight dynamics as it ripped off).

What he's asking for may very well have been catastrophic in nature, but he's just looking for a gamey loophole to fly in a way he shouldn't fly.

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2013, 08:11:54 PM »
Doors don't rip off like gear or other control surfaces?

If not it sounds like we have 2 wishes here...
« Last Edit: February 21, 2013, 08:28:21 PM by Pand »

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2013, 09:44:56 PM »
He's talking about using it for a 480mph speed brake because he's diving faster than he should.

He's talking about using it to forestall reaching that speed not to open it at 480 and decelerate.


As dive breaks though?

 Not quite the same thing.

The Alpha is irrelevant, the bomb bay generated a lot of drag and this is an authentic technique.

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2013, 11:11:08 PM »
Most control surfaces began lockup up at 480mph... Bomb bay doors weren't meant to be fast speed brakes at extreme speeds. They just covered bombs to reduce drag. They didn't have super strong motors and they weren't made super rugged to withstand that kind of force. Again: He's talking about abusing the game and asking for a game-the-game mechanic. Nothing more.

Unless you have absolute proof that they were used this way at maximum speeds up to and past VNE (HAH!) I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

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Re: The mosquito does not have a bomb bay
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2013, 11:38:48 PM »
Most control surfaces began lockup up at 480mph... Bomb bay doors weren't meant to be fast speed brakes at extreme speeds. They just covered bombs to reduce drag. They didn't have super strong motors and they weren't made super rugged to withstand that kind of force. Again: He's talking about abusing the game and asking for a game-the-game mechanic. Nothing more.

No, he isn't. As I've already tried to explain to you once you open the doors at lower speeds to reduce the acceleration nose-down or dump retained energy. The 480 mph quoted is the speed at which you lose surfaces. He's not asking to open the doors at those speeds, try to keep up.

Using the bomb bay (the doors open longitudinally anyway) as a brake was mentioned in a British documentary which is available on YouTube I believe. Others have seen it too if you care to read the thread carefully.


Unless you have absolute proof that they were used this way at maximum speeds up to and past VNE (HAH!) I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

For someone who never substantiates anything he says, your demand for absolute proof is incredibly hypocritical.


If other bombers can leave the bay empty and still open the doors then this is simply a bug.



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