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« Reply #255 on: April 12, 2013, 12:18:13 AM »
If you make the scenario rules for the BoB, Heinkels can only have MG's.

Then you essentially have a BoB Heinkel.
What is the speed of a BoB He111 and what is the speed of the He111 in AH?

That is the major issue with the Ju88A-4 in that setting.  It is significantly faster than the BoB era Ju88A-5.
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« Reply #256 on: April 12, 2013, 01:11:36 AM »
A-1 was the BOB era Ju88. Not A-5. :)

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« Reply #257 on: April 12, 2013, 03:38:41 AM »
Wmaker, key words there are H-6. For an H-3 yes a MG/FF in the nose was a field mod.

You initially said that the nose 20mm was a field mod, period. Now you are starting backpedal again. I don't recall seeing H-3s with 20 mm in the nose, a photo of one would go a along way determining wheather it is a factory kit or something that was fabricated in the field. So can you post a pic? Not that it matters as HTC hasn't specified which H AH models, and as has been noted, it has features from several H sub variants. Nothing wrong in having the cannon which H-6 had, something that can be disabled from the host settings for BoB-scenario.

As far as the speed, I'll wait for HTCs performance charts.
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« Reply #258 on: April 12, 2013, 04:05:07 AM »
IIRC there were both Ju 88A-1 and A-5s in the BoB. The A-5 was an interim model, basically an A-1 but with the longer span outer wings from the A-4. In mid 1941 the A-4 also added more powerful engines, plus better guns and armour protection.

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« Reply #259 on: April 12, 2013, 05:20:30 AM »
The biggest surprise to me so far is the OBJ rating of the He 111. It's 10, almost same as the B-24 (9).  :rofl
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« Reply #260 on: April 12, 2013, 05:31:51 AM »
should it be lower ?
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« Reply #261 on: April 12, 2013, 05:56:44 AM »
should it be lower ?


Yea, with carrying less ords at much lower speeds, lower altitude and much less able to defend itself than the B-24 it should absolutely have a lower OBJ, maybe 2 like B-29?  ;)

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« Reply #262 on: April 12, 2013, 06:05:49 AM »
1000Kg bombs can ruin a town though. I got 9000+ damage from 1 run on 1 town.
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« Reply #263 on: April 12, 2013, 06:28:21 AM »
The HE-111 in AH2 is Jumo powered not Daimler powered. Its top speed is in the mid 200's. So its catchable by Spit 1's and Hurri 1's

unlike our 88s
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« Reply #264 on: April 12, 2013, 06:52:33 AM »
OBj works the same way for bombing as ENY does for (air) combat: The lower your bomber's OBJ is, the less perks you get for destroying the same target.
So the bigger the bombload is you are carrying and the higher the OBJ, the more perks you can get out of a single sortie.

To show the theoretical perk gaining capabilities of the formation bombers in AH, I simply multiplied the OBJ rating with the max amount of actual explosive power a bomber can carry:




The higher the resulting "BPF", the more perks you can theoretically get from a single sortie (for example town miling)

Of course, in reality this theoretical value is very much influenced practically by a bombers survival rating.

As you can see, the BPF of the He 111 is already very low, and if you then factor in the much lower chance the Heinkel has to making it's way to it's targets (and back) compared to a B-24 or B-17...


Or mabye the best comparison is He-111 vs B-26. Both carry about the same amount of ords (8x250kg vs 8x500lbs), but in comparison the B-26 climbs like a rocket and runs like a sports car while carrying a substantial defensive punch. But He 111 OBJ is 10, B-26 OBJ is 18.
You actually get punished in terms of perks for taking the 'worse' plane. It's almost as if the P-39 had a lower ENY than the Spit 16 ;)
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« Reply #265 on: April 12, 2013, 08:54:16 AM »
Krusty.

I don't know if you are right or wrong with your observations you share in this game.

I do know I appreciate your attention and passion and your efforts to help this game stay historically correct.

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« Reply #266 on: April 12, 2013, 09:16:19 AM »
Climb profiles in comparison: B-26, Ju-88, He-111 at about same bombload and fuel endurance (MIL at SL):


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« Reply #267 on: April 12, 2013, 09:41:35 AM »
I'd say the He111H will be just fine for BoB-events...

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« Reply #268 on: April 12, 2013, 09:49:51 AM »
I thought the in game chart I looked at last night had it at about 260-265mph at best altitude.

I may have misread it.
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« Reply #269 on: April 12, 2013, 09:50:06 AM »
The tail end comes off the He-111 as easy as the 410, that's for sure.

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