He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!

[SmokinLoon]

Haven't seen many HE111's around vs the usual numbers of Lanc,B17s and B24's over past 24 hours, don't tell me the LW buff so many having be asking for, for years didn't last in the MA past the first weekend. Just to be retired as another hangar queen and once a month at most FSO special. 


<S>...-Gixer

*sigh*  Don't be such a Debbie Downer.  You automatically assume that just because the He111 has X trait that it is going to be a hanger queen.  Other than a slower than typical top speed (260-ish TAS), and a below average rear gun defensive capability, it climbs well enough and carries enough ordnance to be rather versatile.  Plus, you automatically assume that when the He111 goes up it wont have any escorts with it.   

[Lusche]

Think we need a definition of "hangar queen" first 

[Greebo]

I think its the opposite of "dweeb ride". A dweeb ride is anything better than your plane and a hangar queen is anything worse.

[Lusche]

 

[Volron]

 

[chris3]

moin

i love the he 111 because i never need to use a allied bomber any more to bomb the strats if the strats out of range of my ju 88. the load out and range are realy good for strat attacks i think. sure this bomber need some taktikaly thinking to rach the target, but it will not be a hangar queen i think. maybe it will be used more often than a ju88, maybe.

im still not sure which load out is better for strta attacks, just tried the 32bombs for the city center, normaly salvo 2 must be enouth to kill a city square so 16 city buildings could be killed, thast realy good i think.

but sadly HTC dong give me my V1 rocket under the wing   

cu christian

[Lusche]

sure this bomber need some taktikaly thinking to rach the target,

That's a nice way to put it.

Attacking strats in the He 111 in late war doesn't require much 'tactical thinking' - it just depends on one thing: Someone attempts to intercept you or not. The Heinkel is so slow climbing, slow and has such a bad service ceiling that anybody can up in time and intercept you at will. And the defensive armament is so weak that you are basically a free kill. You really have to hope that nobody is looking at the strats ... for a long time.

[chris3]

isent it the same with lancasters?

[Lusche]

isent it the same with lancasters?

No. The lancasters have a much better defensive armament for example. Quad .303 with 10,000 rounds instead of single MG's in various stations with 750 rds makes a world off a difference. It's also significantly faster and can even climb faster to altitude.
And of course the Lanc carries three times as much.


The Heinkel is simply worse in every aspect.

[chris3]

lancaster devesiv is bade sure maybe the heinkels must be worser too but theirvor it does not have so a big blind spot. and the he can turn very well in formation so the posibility of a HO isn t bad.  just killed a 262 in tha way.
and if the charts are right the he climps better and is only 15 miles slower, so in comparacion its not so much bad as everyone thinks.

cu

[Gixer]

I doubt anybody thought it would be a mainstay in the LWMA.  It'll get used a bit, but comparing it to the B-17G, B-24J and Lancaster Mk III is absurd.  Those are all vastly superior aircraft in just about every way.

You miss the point, I wasn't comparing it to those bombers,  just saying like the JU88 buff guys will always go for the B17etc even after years of crying for the HE111, once they get it they use it for a weekend in the MA and then quickly go back to bigger bombers with more guns and payload.

Hence the HE111 for MA will become a hangar queen. Just like the JU88, how many times do you see a JU88 (not being used to attack CV) compared to the other main buffs?

Like the 410 people voted for it cause they thought it would be some uber gun platform, once realised it wasn't and they easily get shot down in it, they quickly go back to uber rides.

As for Buffs and Forgetting that HE111 would have escort, you mean escort by a horde? As escorting buff pilots these days is a complete waste of time, last two occasions I have taken the effort to escort a buff they have both bailed once bombs dropped as they didn't want to take the time to rtb, they already had their points and damage done..

Last night watched a Lanc dive bomb a city, guess he couldn't be bothered working out the new wind variation.



<S>...-Gixer

[Karnak]

Last night watched a Lanc dive bomb a city, guess he couldn't be bothered working out the new wind variation.

Not something that can be worked out.  As HiTech posted in this very thread, it is a bug in the bomb sight code.  It will be fixed for the next version and the bomb sights will work again.

[Tank-Ace]

Out of curiosity, what do you experts attribute the greater popularity of the B-17 and B-24, or even the Lancaster vs the B-26?

I mean personally, I find the effectivness of the B-26 to be higher in two situations: Hit and run, and quick strike sorties. Yeah, the others have a higher potential celing of game-impact, but they seem to be rarely used to potential.

Is it just that thought of carrying a big load to the target?

[Lusche]

Is it just that thought of carrying a big load to the target?

With no doubt.

Especially unexperienced players are magnetically attracted to the biggest bomb load they can get, And as the B-29 is perked, their choice is the Lancaster.
Needles to say that the huge amount of 'bang' is mostly wasted in mass carpet drops. For most 'tactical' attacks much less lbs are actually necessary if you just try a bit for precision. The B-26 is great for that kind of sorties.

[Tank-Ace]

For most 'tactical' attacks much less lbs are actually necessary if you just try a bit for precision. The B-26 is great for that kind of sorties.

Exactly. In my opinion, a pair of B-26's are more effective than a B-24, even used to potential.

They're just more flexible, can cover ground faster, and with a pair, you could theoretically white flag the town in one pass.