He111 is HERE!!!!!!!!

[macleod01]

So, you agree with the idea but out of spite you wont support it?  And you dare to call me a tool? Oh the irony...

Pretty much, yea.

Of course the Hurricane looking like it got its face run over by a fully loaded brewery wagon might have something to do with that.

I mean the Spitfire actually LOOKS like a fighter.

This helps enforce the idea that the 111 is the iconic german bomber.
Was it the most effective? No.
Was it the most produced, not sure probably not.
 Is it the best looking? Heck yea!
Is it most easily recognisable? You bet!

Why? Because she looks nice!!!!

[Karnak]

Of course the Hurricane looking like it got its face run over by a fully loaded brewery wagon might have something to do with that.

I mean the Spitfire actually LOOKS like a fighter.

Twas a little more complex than that.  In 1938 the Hurricane, for British schoolboys, was the fighter of fighters.  According to R.R.S. Tuck the pilots in the RAF had propagated myths about it being a killer, a plane you had to constantly watch or it might kill you (myths he felt certain had actually killed pilots taking one for their first flight) when in actuality it was quite docile and one of its strengths was being such a stable gun platform.  By 1940 the sleek lines and high performance of the Spitfire had overcome that, but the Hurricane had its day in the sun, just there wasn't a war on when it did.

[jag88]

actually no, you top the cake on silly...and that can be proven by the crap you have posted in this discussion.


you need to stop using wikipedia as your source. the why and wherefore of luftwaffe bomber development and production are all well documented and "waiting for new versions" was not in the equation.

Yeah, wikipedia, right.  You were the guy posting movie posters, right?

Example:  Spitfire Mk I was the iconic British fighter of the Battle of Britain.  Hurricane Mk I was actually the workhorse fighter that got the job done, 2/3rds of RAF fighter command was Hurricanes and 66-75% of RAF kills were by the Hurricane, yet it is the Spitfire that is the icon.

Take the Spit out of the BoB, now you have a force of slower and inferior fighters that would have been unable to match and contain the Bf-109s like the Spits did while other Hurris went after the bombers... which is the main factor of why they had the higher kill count, a slow bomber is a far easier target than a fighter. 

Do you think the RAF would have won the BoB without the Spit?  They would have certainly have at the very least suffered higher loses with the LW suffering less as well, even the Bf-110s would have been a tough proposition for the Hurri, if they kept fast.

Pretty much, yea.

 

[nrshida]

Take the Spit out of the BoB, now you have a force of slower and inferior fighters that would have been unable to match and contain the Bf-109s like the Spits did while other Hurris went after the bombers... which is the main factor of why they had the higher kill count, a slow bomber is a far easier target than a fighter. 

Do you think the RAF would have won the BoB without the Spit?  They would have certainly have at the very least suffered higher loses with the LW suffering less as well, even the Bf-110s would have been a tough proposition for the Hurri, if they kept fast.

In nature, of which the human race is a subset, and warfare a more deeply nested subset, all things are in balance or moving towards a balance. Had the R.A.F. not had the Spitfire it would have been something else because it was necessary to destroy the bombers in order to survive, and Great Britain certainly had the expertise, resources and motivation to provide the tools to accomplish this.

[pembquist]

Example:  Spitfire Mk I was the iconic British fighter of the Battle of Britain.  Hurricane Mk I was actually the workhorse fighter that got the job done, 2/3rds of RAF fighter command was Hurricanes and 66-75% of RAF kills were by the Hurricane, yet it is the Spitfire that is the icon.

Very well put.

Starting with the Spanish Civil War, in my opinion nothing says nazi bomber like an he 111. It represents cutting edge technology of the thirties, the remilitarization of Germany, aspirations of conquest and domination, and brutal narcissistic pageantry that held the rest of the world in lethal contempt. In the end it became as outmoded as the ideas and leadership of the nation that built it. And while as aesthetically complete a distillation of violence as beauty as the Hugo Boss uniforms of the German millitary, it also shared the unfortunate feature of being a very dangerous thing to be in by 1944.

[GScholz]

Starting with the Spanish Civil War, in my opinion nothing says nazi bomber like an he 111. It represents cutting edge technology of the thirties, the remilitarization of Germany, aspirations of conquest and domination, and brutal narcissistic pageantry that held the rest of the world in lethal contempt. In the end it became as outmoded as the ideas and leadership of the nation that built it. And while as aesthetically complete a distillation of violence as beauty as the Hugo Boss uniforms of the German millitary, it also shared the unfortunate feature of being a very dangerous thing to be in by 1944.

Poetry...

[Oldman731]

Poetry...

Really!  Good job Pembquist!

- oldman

[BaldEagl]

Very well put.

Starting with the Spanish Civil War, in my opinion nothing says nazi bomber like an he 111. It represents cutting edge technology of the thirties, the remilitarization of Germany, aspirations of conquest and domination, and brutal narcissistic pageantry that held the rest of the world in lethal contempt. In the end it became as outmoded as the ideas and leadership of the nation that built it. And while as aesthetically complete a distillation of violence as beauty as the Hugo Boss uniforms of the German millitary, it also shared the unfortunate feature of being a very dangerous thing to be in by 1944.

 , or as you would say; Very well put.

[Franz Von Werra]

Radar was priceless.
50 miles of water at the shortest distance, besides any distance inland.
The battle was over England, land so they had homefield advantage.
Luft fighters were mostly chained to the bombers.
Droptanks invented yet by either side.
And by some claims, Germany's code machine was already hacked. It had fewer wheels than uboats btw.

Any technological differeneces between spits and huris becomes negligible when compared to all of the listed advantages that both had over the luft, which were superior in in real life. Luft had all the aces even during this early battle.

[gyrene81]

Radar was priceless.
50 miles of water at the shortest distance, besides any distance inland.
The battle was over England, land so they had homefield advantage.
Luft fighters were mostly chained to the bombers.
Droptanks invented yet by either side.
And by some claims, Germany's code machine was already hacked. It had fewer wheels than uboats btw.

Any technological differeneces between spits and huris becomes negligible when compared to all of the listed advantages that both had over the luft, which were superior in in real life. Luft had all the aces even during this early battle.

once again little johnny goes...





with utter nonsense as usual...

[Franz Von Werra]

and once again, personal attacks...

[Ack-Ack]

Droptanks invented yet by either side.

You made that claim in another thread and it was shown you were incorrect.  Drop tanks were first used in the Spanish Civil War and the Luftwaffe started to use drop tanks as early at 1940.  Do some research Schlowy before you make outlandish and unsupported claims like drop tanks weren't invented and the Spitfire Mk XVI never saw combat.

ack-ack

[Franz Von Werra]

Get a source, and that one line in Wikipedia isn't getting it.

[nrshida]

Any technological differeneces between spits and huris becomes negligible when compared to all of the listed advantages that both had over the luft, which were superior in in real life. Luft had all the aces even during this early battle.

Luftwhining at its finest. Also very disrespectful to the many brave pilots of the R.A.F. who fought with skill and courage DEFENDING their country against a savage and evil aggressor.

[Franz Von Werra]

naaaw, no bias on your part, and you just insulted a whole nation btw.