Dora damage

[Debrody]

Thanks Pervert.

[Stampf]

Fix it!!

Please!!!

[Rob52240]

You guys are just trying to get vDALLAS back into the game.

[Debrody]

You guys are just trying to get vDALLAS back into the game.

For the God's sake, no!

[bustr]

If the radiator hit is a catchall for all the other damage available to happen to an inline engine hit by AP rounds due to the radiator being located with the engine. Then HiTech might give you what you want while giving you more than you barganded for to compensate for the change.

[Babalonian]

"I doubt the pony's hit area would be anywhere near the size of the Dora's and considering the damage model does not take in to account the direction the bullet is travelling it only has one side to be shot, the Dora hitzone can literally be shot at any angle even long range plunging shots from the rear, as long as it strikes a part of the hit zone there is a good chance of a rad hit."

Indeed, I have seen Dora taking rad hits from almost direct 6oc where IRL those would not happen.

The size of a radiator is usually directly proportional to engine power and the "face" size can be reduced at a cost of efficiency as the depth of the radiator increases, so I'd think the Pony does not have much smaller rad compared to that of Dora's. However there's a big difference which rad is prone to get hit by 12oc or 6oc hits because of location but as total 3D area there should not be much difference between these two if we assume that the density of the radiator is roughly the same.

-C+

Good point, but it should be (but also should/would need to be tested much further).  The mustang not only has two individual radiator/coolant systems (one for the engine, the other for the supercharger's aftercooler) but the header tank is ontop of and forward of th engine, litterally crammed in a horse-shoe shape over the reduction gears between the engine and propeller (and this is the engine's main cooling tank).  Its size is similar to half a Dora's radiator, except its just the tank and the actual radiator in a pony is in the belly scoop.  Then there's the aftercooler system which is kinda one with the supercharger unit mounted on the rear of the engine - a hit to it could lead to leaking coolant, oil, fuel (and fire - especialy if leaking coolant and now predetonation is occuring in the sueprcharger now) or even damage the engine.  Again, this is just that region, the actual radiator for this aftercooler is in the belly scoop.

[mthrockmor]

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Everyone knows that the Dora is a nancy with a glass chin. Everyone. What we have is a slobbering love affair with AH as to why it is not fixed. If the answer is, it's on the list below 50 other things, that's fine. In real life are we to believe that the Dora took a .303 in the tail and the radiator started leaking? Or, are you saying that the same .303 round in the tail was nearly catastrophic and instead of loosing a stablizer or tailwheel, or something else, the arcarde version simple makes the radiator leak?


I would suggest the Dora was just as robust as the A5, or A8, which means a .303 to the tail barely makes a hole. The damage modeling for the Dora needs to be fixed. I think the bigger question, how far down the que is it?

[Babalonian]

Yada yada yada


Everyone knows that the Dora is a nancy with a glass chin. Everyone. What we have is a slobbering love affair with AH as to why it is not fixed. If the answer is, it's on the list below 50 other things, that's fine. In real life are we to believe that the Dora took a .303 in the tail and the radiator started leaking? Or, are you saying that the same .303 round in the tail was nearly catastrophic and instead of loosing a stablizer or tailwheel, or something else, the arcarde version simple makes the radiator leak?


I would suggest the Dora was just as robust as the A5, or A8, which means a .303 to the tail barely makes a hole. The damage modeling for the Dora needs to be fixed. I think the bigger question, how far down the que is it?

If the radiator hit is a catchall for all the other damage available to happen to an inline engine hit by AP rounds due to the radiator being located with the engine. Then HiTech might give you what you want while giving you more than you barganded for to compensate for the change.

See my post above, I'd love to see ponys held to as equal a standard as the Dora. 

It's not that the Dora didn't have a glass raiator, just that it wasn't 4-5 times the size as its modeled in AH.  I would love to see the same blanket-damage strategy aplied to the mustang (in regards to just coolant/radiators: big wide damage area from the prop spinner to the first feet of the engine AND another nice sized box behind the engine AND another bix phat exposed box hanging beneth in the scoop), the whines would be delicious!!!

PS - I'm also watching the 202/205 thread closely, wouldn't it be nice to finaly get our A8's canopy accuratley adjusted?

[pervert]

See my post above, I'd love to see ponys held to as equal a standard as the Dora. 

It's not that the Dora didn't have a glass raiator, just that it wasn't 4-5 times the size as its modeled in AH.  I would love to see the same blanket-damage strategy aplied to the mustang (in regards to just coolant/radiators: big wide damage area from the prop spinner to the first feet of the engine AND another nice sized box behind the engine AND another bix phat exposed box hanging beneth in the scoop), the whines would be delicious!!!

PS - I'm also watching the 202/205 thread closely, wouldn't it be nice to finaly get our A8's canopy accuratley adjusted?

To be fair it (the 51) is modelled the exact same 1 50 cal round is the end of it, its just protected by the entire plane, Temp doesn't take rad hits easy because although on the front it has a smaller surface area for the hit zone. The only part that is debatable is the spinner itself being a hit zone and how far back the area on the cowling takes rad hits. Also there has to be a cutoff if one of these rads gets damaged otherwise why would it be in 2 halves? 

[Babalonian]

I really don't think it is fair, is my point.  See this 2-minute photoshop I did:

Light coloration is the actual header tank and aftercooler locations in the engine.  If they were treated as if cooling components on a Dora, they should/would be modeled as it is in the dark highlights.  I agree one-fifty is indeed enough in AH to damage it, but is it a guarenteed loss of coolant/radiator like it is on the Dora?  If analisys was done on the AH P51 I don't think its close to acurate, but it would be inacurate in a way that would favor a pony driver in AH, not penalyse them like with the Dora.

My above image does not take into acount that the actual radiators are housed in the rather exposed belly scoop, nor the numerous lines that run to each independent system from the belly to the front and rear of the engine which would add a third rather large and damage-able area by a 50-cal area.

The lines if modeled IMHO alone would be the heel for the P51 in AH.  Not only are they routed from one end to 2/3 the other, but (like how the Dora is modeled) easily damageable by a shot to the rear fueselage that doesn't penetrate forward the cockpit.  IE: The bleeds for both coolant systems is located above the scoop in the L-fuselage.  In the above image, roughly behind the wing on the left side in the region of the first black invasion stripe on the fuselage tail, behind the "3" in "C3".