Training Video,The Merge

[TequilaChaser]

TC is going to be going over a lot of stuff with me (i hope) soon,after that point i will keep going.

Heya Sunka,
shoot me a PM on what days / nights  & times  EST/EDT   that you can normally meet up, so we can get our scheduling down, Sir

Cheers

TC ( Johnny )

[FLS]

I wish I could put into words better....

someone with better ability in terminology has to chime in...

I also disagree with trying to get your nose below the con on merge....

I think my biggest thing about the video is the absolutes I hear in the description.....do this and this will happen.....


 one of the things that I love about dogfighting, is the fact that every fight is different, no 2 fights are the same....

for that reason alone it is wrong to always do a "certain" maneuver .
 

Ink you make good points but keep in mind that Sunka is simply putting in a video what he would be showing people in the TA or DA. It doesn't have to be perfect even though we'd all like it to be accurate.  I had mentioned a couple of problems to Sunka before he posted and I expect TC will help him with those.

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Ink you make good points but keep in mind that Sunka is simply putting in a video what he would be showing people in the TA or DA. It doesn't have to be perfect even though we'd all like it to be accurate.  I had mentioned a couple of problems to Sunka before he posted and I expect TC will help him with those.

absolutely....I wasn't trying to piss in his proverbial cornflakes .....just trying to help in things that I saw...I like Sunka otherwise I would not have said anything...I am learning to ignore those that ire me....

I also appreciate the effort he is putting in....

I certainly hope he takes it in constructive criticism and not that I think it sux cuz it doesn't.

[FLS]

absolutely....I wasn't trying to piss in his proverbial cornflakes .....just trying to help in things that I saw...I like Sunka otherwise I would not have said anything...I am learning to ignore those that ire me....

I also appreciate the effort he is putting in....

I certainly hope he takes it in constructive criticism and not that I think it sux cuz it doesn't.

I wasn't criticizing you Ink, I know you're helping. Sunka is finding out that we learn subconciously through practice things that we have trouble noticing and explaining simply because they are habits learned through experience. 

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I wasn't criticizing you Ink, I know you're helping. Sunka is finding out that we learn subconciously through practice things that we have trouble noticing and explaining simply because they are habits learned through experience. 

 

[Ravage]

There are counters to this merge technique. If you have speed built up you can blow through gain separation and start a low g climb. After an aggressive merge attempt like the one shown he will not be able to match your climb, wait for his stall or disengagement to pounce. But be cautious your higher energy state will leave you vulnerable to an energy trap.

[mtnman]

There are counters to this merge technique. If you have speed built up you can blow through gain separation and start a low g climb. After an aggressive merge attempt like the one shown he will not be able to match your climb, wait for his stall or disengagement to pounce. But be cautious your higher energy state will leave you vulnerable to an energy trap.

Of course!  There are also counters to your counter.

There are counters for pretty much any maneuver you can think of. 

More than anything it comes down to doing the right thing, at the right time, the right way.  If you can consistently do that without really thinking about it you have a serious advantage over almost everyone you'll come up against.

[mtnman]

I've always thought that the best way to REALLY learn something is to try to teach it to someone else.

Of course, that means that you cannot know it inside and out until AFTER you've successfully taught it.  In reality, you'll have to successfully teach it to multiple (many) people under differing circumstances to really become an expert at it.

There aren't many folks out there who can master something, and also succeed at teaching others to master it.

What you find when you teach is that you're still learning it.  And learning almost always has some "pain" associated with it.  When you look at it that way you really can't expect teaching to be painless.

Sunka, I think you're seeing that.  And I think that learning in front of others also leaves you (at least feeling) more exposed. 

Don't worry about it!
Looking through your video there are a few things I'd "tweak" or reword; but that's me, and my style.  As a used-to-be artist, I'd also be the first to tell you that I see plenty of flaws in my own work as well.

I often adjusted the way I worded or described certain maneuvers in order to help my pupils "see" what I needed to convey.  I guarantee I occasionally "strayed" from textbook teaching to accomplish my goals.  Teaching is tough!  It's tough in "normal" teaching scenarios...  It's REALLY tough when you cannot see your pupils, or his/her facial and/or body language, etc...  Add to that the cultural and locational differences, and even some geographic variance in words/terms, etc...

While that's tough, I think it's even more difficult to produce a stand-alone training film.  In the TA, we can repeat and reword and change tactics mid-way through to get our lesson across.  Not so with a video...

[Sunka]

Hey Mtnman.
This has turned out to be a challenge,for many of the points you bring up.
Wording and explaining in the "correct" terms is defiantly something i need to work on.
I'm getting into the Ta with TC very soon ,and just hanging with trainers and "diffrent" trainers has always been a goal of mine ,but one i need to fallow threw with if I'm going to keep at this.

I don't mind doing this in public at all ,some comments are very helpfull to me, and the jabber that dose not help is at least a view on how all players are looking at it.

But i think in depth "correct" training videos for ACM in aces high are far over do and someone has to try.
It is going to be very difficult but as long as the players opinions whom i care about see some promise in this, i have nothing but time and Will keep refining them.

Thank you Mtnman for your comments and any views or suggestions good or bad you have on these films i would always love to see.

[Ravage]

I apologize it probably appeared as if I was criticizing the video or the technique, I wasn't, the video shows THE classic merge technique and its very good. It's purpose is to teach this being a help board and all, my comment was meant to teach as well by showing 1 counter to this very popular and effective merge technique. Another counter that requires more skill is to recognize your opponents dive as the prelude to a classic vertical offset merge, immediately invert and start a shallow climb     when  opponent zoom climbs up to you merge with him at this point. This takes some practice to master.

[Traveler]

Nice Job and well done.
I'm a professional flight instructor and I think the video are great as done.  The nice thing about teaching people to fly is, no two lessons are ever the same.   These training videos are just, examples and as long as the student understand that these are just examples that can help establish certain rules, and that none of these rules are locked in stone.  They are a good training tool.  Again, job well done.

[Sunka]

Ty guys for all your comments,I'm just glad your taking the time to watch and give me your honest opinions.