FSO is about who you know not what you know

[Stampf]

looking at the logs JG11 hasn't flown allied for over a year. I would like to know how the rotation is worked out or even if there is one. It was my understanding that ya had to rotate through every once in a while. Is it a case though of x amount of players vrs side strength. 60/40 split 40/60 split ?????

Oh and I would like that explanation scattered smothered and covered please

JG11 last was assigned Allied 12 operations ago.

Like I said...we request what we request.  The CM's must give you your answer as they are the ones who split sides.

We were once a 4-7 sized squad...and took our lumps for years...and always flew the crappy jap planes and bombers and attackers.  Don't you think my boys would like a corsair once in awhile, over a Zero?  Damn straight we would, but gladly fill the Axis role in Pacific...hoping we are granted our request in Europe.  I never take anything as a given.  We fly what we are assigned, where we are assigned...that's it.

  

[Shifty]

JG11 last was assigned Allied 12 operations ago.

Like I said...we request what we request.  The CM's must give you your answer as they are the ones who split sides.

We were once a 4-7 sized squad...and took our lumps for years...and always flew the crappy jap planes and bombers and attackers.  Don't you think my boys would like a corsair once in awhile, over a Zero?  Damn straight we would, but gladly fill the Axis role in Pacific...hoping we are granted our request in Europe.  I never take anything as a given.  We fly what we are assigned, where we are assigned...that's it.

Surfinn,

This is exactly why JG-11 always flys Axis. They are willing to fill in as Japanese during PTOs so Blue Plane squads like yours have a chance to fly their USN/USMC birds. Next time you get an FM2 remember your chances of getting it went up tremendously because a couple of squads like JG-11 bite the bullet and fly Japanese without complaint.

Vuduvee,

I feel your pain almost every squad goes through the small squad experiance as far as getting overwhelmed. Even my squad knows we'll have more bad nights then good until we grow a bit. As far as bombers and sides you fly. You really do have to update your request every month or CiC will think you have no preference. 

[surfinn]

ahh with respect sir and to put things sunny side up. We flew the Fm2s once against German iron. Every other PTO we were axis flying a6m2s, so we take our knocks and without compliant. I am just asking what are the rotaion schedules and if there is a rotaion schedule????  IF there is no rotaion schedule I'm fine with that to it would just be nice to know ahead of time.

[1Canukk]

  "ahh with respect sir and to put things sunny side up. We flew the Fm2s once against German iron. Every other PTO we were axis flying a6m2s, so we take our knocks and without compliant. I am just asking what are the rotaion schedules and if there is a rotaion schedule????  IF there is no rotaion schedule I'm fine with that to it would just be nice to know ahead of time."

    You say you didnt want to complain...

[surfinn]

ya must have ate to much scrambled eggs with cheese if ya saw a complint in that question

[VuduVee]

Duxford has been in FSO for a long time. weve taken our lumps. its time small squads get our due. taking the backseat in favor of bigger but less experienced squads seems like the point you guys want me to accept. i think its unfair. im pushing for fairness in regards to small squads who want to do FSO. if not, ill have to assume we are not a valued team player and will make a case to my squaddies for ditching FSO altogether.

[Shifty]

Every other PTO we were axis flying a6m2s, so we take our knocks and without compliant. I am just asking what are the rotaion schedules and if there is a rotaion schedule????  IF there is no rotaion schedule I'm fine with that to it would just be nice to know ahead of time.

As does my squad. Every squad has to fly Axis sooner or later. When there is not enough squads requesting Axis for a setup, we will assign squads that have flown the longest without being Axis. We never have a shortage of squads requesting the Allied side therefore that situation never comes up that we have to force Axis squads to Fly Allied.

[surfinn]

well if that's the case shifty then why have we been put on axis side 4 times in a year when we clearly request allied. Oh and the day the request menu is up we request our side and ac preference.
Its almost like we are always ordering waffles with pecans and getting blue berries instead

[Stampf]

well if that's the case shifty then why have we been put on axis side 4 times in a year when we clearly request allied. Oh and the day the request menu is up we request our side and ac preference.
Its almost like we are always ordering waffles with pecans and getting blue berries instead

We never have a shortage of squads requesting the Axis side

He meant Allied.

[Shifty]

He meant Allied.

Thanks I fixed it.

well if that's the case shifty then why have we been put on axis side 4 times in a year when we clearly request allied. Oh and the day the request menu is up we request our side and ac preference.
Its almost like we are always ordering waffles with pecans and getting blue berries instead

This is the second time in four months my squad had been Axis. The first time we wanted Allied and got Axis this month none of us were hot or cold on the planeset so we volunteered Axis just to get the commiment filled. But pulling Axis four times a year equals 1 out of every 3 setups you are Axis. Which is exactly what every Allied FSO squad I've ever been a member of has gone through. I expect to be Axis 1 out of every 3 setups that is why I go ahead a volunteer for it if the aircraft matchup is unimportant to my guys. You are treated no different from anybody else.

[Viper61]

Vudu - My comments are to your first post.

The 325th VFG has gone up and down in its numbers over the years.  And the 325th VFG is one of the original FSO squads.  We had a period of time where we were so small that every week it seemed liked we got our clocks cleaned because we ran into a larger squad.  Morale plummeted and the future of the squad was in question...

I didn't complain about it - I fixed the problem internally.  We recruited, and we joined forces with other squads to form into a larger squad for the FSO.  In time the issue corrected itself.  Today the 325th VFG has only a few remaining 325th VFG pilots.  The others come and go weekly and are part of the "Ironhorsemen".  G3MF and the 325th VFG use to fly together until they separated and started flying by themselves.  The same was true of the 35th who also flew with the 325th VFG for awhile until they took on the responsibility of being your own squad in the FSO.  Internally the indpendent squads form up into their flights and form into a larger group.  So squad identifiy is kept.  I'd be glad to join forces with any small squad as long as we can plan, coordinate and fight as a team.  No bozo's shotting down friendlies, No drunks or druggies or kids under 17 are allowed.  We come to play once a week to the best of our abilities.

Over the years I have planned and helped plan more CIC missions than I can remember.  Small squads aren't as effective as the larger squads in the operations, so yes the smaller squads have to get attached to other larger squads or should be in order to give them a better chance of success and survival.  I also never will put a small squad in charge of a Strike Package internal to a mission I plan.  Has nothing to do with personalities just the plain fact that the larger squad owns the assists.  No "gets" a turn to be fair.  You have and run a large squad you get put in charge and that's how I plan.  And history has shown time and time again that when planners band together 4-6 small squads into a large formation they tent not to do as well as a 1-2 squad configuration of the same size.  Being small has limitations, just a fact.

That being said I will assign smaller squads to the following duties - Perked AC when I need to spread limited AC to several locations.  Makes more sense than splitting up a larger squad into 2 different AC types.  Scouting duties as part of larger Strike Package.  Keeps them close to a larger element in case they need help, and they will.  Escorting packages so that the Escort Leader can detach a smaller element as needed during the fight.  This gives flexibility.

Being in a small squad has limitations, just a fact.  If you don't want to be small than change it, we did.  But don't ask the FSO community to change anything to accommodate.  

[surfinn]

grate answer shifty. Now the axis should have to do the same thing, just to keep things fair I would say, especially the mega squads like JG11 and KN. Allies have squads their size that can swap out with them quarterly so why isn't it happening????   Makes me feel like I got my eggs fried when I asked for them scrambled.

And of course viper has to pipe in with a long histroy leason and a full page of BS before he actually makes his point.

[Stampf]

grate answer shifty. Now the axis should have to do the same thing, just to keep things fair I would say, especially the mega squads like JG11 and KN. Allies have squads their size that can swap out with them quarterly so why isn't it happening????   Makes me feel like I got my eggs fried when I asked for them scrambled.

Are you very young Surf?  Or otherwise impaired.  You are not getting it.  Look at what you posted.

If the CM's had to rigidly follow a certain rotation like you purpose...and had to assign a squad like JG11 Allied once a quarter....than once a quarter...4 smaller squads who want to fly Allied, will be forced Axis.

How will that help anyone here?

[surfinn]

Point is that's already happening to smaller squads sir. So ya your damn right I want you guys out of your comfort zone ever once in a while.

[Stampf]

Point is that's already happening to smaller squads sir. So ya your damn right I want you guys out of your comfort zone ever once in a while.

 

We're getting nearer the black now.