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Offline The Fugitive

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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2013, 06:09:21 PM »
Is the system's definition of critical damage the same as when the icon disappears?


I think the icon disappears when the pilot dies, or bails from the plane.

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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2013, 06:13:59 PM »
I was already pointing at his plane that he ditched at the end of the runway so, when he respawned instantly, I was already pointed at the plane that suddenly appeared.....the disappeared.....the reappeared......then disappeared....then reappeared on the opposite end of the runway.

Do you really think snailman was doing anything other than that?

Do you think he's dumb enough to "accidently" spawn multiple times where he knows a plane is d600 pointed at the exact spawn point because it had just got done shooting his previous plane down?

No, he's not that dumb.

I don't care about a failed vulch or this action but I do care about his denial of what I clearly saw.



Do you think it would be dumb to fly around in base ack and complain when you get shot down? :headscratch:

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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2013, 06:17:40 PM »
Players have been complaining on game for a long time ,if they don't know about it they need to spend more time around the actual game.

People complain about EVERYTHING. And the problem you are complaining about is only a couple years old. It's a fix that started when they made it harder to steal a kill.
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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2013, 06:18:33 PM »
What bugs me more is the "race to the ground" - you're fighting multiple enemies, you blow one's wing or tail off, but you get no credit for the kill because his friend kills you before the dead guy finishes fluttering and spinning to the ground. (this also happens with HOs and collisions, but if you're HOing and colliding with the enemy you can't really complain about the consequences.)

But any game is going to have ways to game it - as was pointed out, the problem that the "critical damage" functionality was brought in to solve (i.e. six people blazing away at wingless planes hoping to do enough damage to get the kill) was much worse.

And seriously, if you're vulching an enemy field and your victim manages to tower out, you've got no basis to complain. And if he re-ups and you get killed by ack trying to strafe him before his wheels are off the ground, you've really got no basis to complain.

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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2013, 06:25:19 PM »
Spawn, EF, Spawn, EF to collect a proxy.

You had zero intent of taking off, spawned at d600 of my 12, .ef, and respawn on opposite end to collect proxy when the ack got me.

I know....I watched the plane in front of me appear translucent and disappear.

You knew you were spawning at d600 in front of me because it was your intent to do exactly what you did for a pathetic proxy.

I got past that kind of behavior back in 1995.

Come on, he spawnd to kill you. It's obvious this wasn't an attempt to collect a proxy. If it was me, I would have done exactly the same thing in his shoes. So I could chase down the guy who took my wing off.
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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2013, 07:18:34 PM »
Do you think it would be dumb to fly around in base ack and complain when you get shot down? :headscratch:
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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2013, 07:31:15 PM »

I don't care about a failed vulch or this action but I do care about his denial of what I clearly saw.



Like how you "clearly" saw me bail from bombers?  You turned out to be wrong on that one didn't you? 

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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2013, 07:01:10 AM »
Like how you "clearly" saw me bail from bombers?  You turned out to be wrong on that one didn't you? 

ack-ack

Yep, wrong one.

That said, you are akak in game and ack-ack here while someone else is ackack in game and akak here.

Very easy to confuse and almost seems that way by design.

As far as spawning to kill me?.............you don't spawn and .ef twice with your back to the enemy at D600 unless you are gaming the game.

No need for me to go through a bunch of 3 hour films to find it because snailman did not deny the spawn/respawn.........just his reason for doing so.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2013, 07:03:56 AM by icepac »

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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2013, 07:04:15 AM »
Jeez whiners.

All I was saying was that a destroyed plane should count as a plane destroyed.
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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2013, 07:07:08 AM »
Jeez whiners.

All I was saying was that a destroyed plane should count as a plane destroyed.


not if he gets it to the ground for a ditch. It's a reward for having the skill/luck to get a wounded plane to a stop with out killing yourself.

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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2013, 07:35:11 AM »
not if he gets it to the ground for a ditch. It's a reward for having the skill/luck to get a wounded plane to a stop with out killing yourself.
No. All contenders in wwII counted planes that were destroyed as planes destroyed. The fate of the pilot was immaterial, although in my example he would've likely drowned.
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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2013, 08:15:49 AM »
No. All contenders in wwII counted planes that were destroyed as planes destroyed. The fate of the pilot was immaterial, although in my example he would've likely drowned.

...and if he DIDN'T survive the crash he NEVER played again.  See the difference? This is a game and it is played with different rules thats all.

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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2013, 09:43:47 AM »
not if he gets it to the ground for a ditch. It's a reward for having the skill/luck to get a wounded plane to a stop with out killing yourself.
You may be misunderstanding, it's normal for a pilot to get credited with a kill when his target ditches in aces high no matter if the ditched pilot lived or died. I don't care about what happens to the ditched pilot, that isn't the issue here. The issue is shooting down a plane and not getting credit for it. If you pluck the wings off of a plane and it splashes down in the ocean, that's a kill in everybody's book. In aces high we're awarded kills for destroying planes, not pilots. Why? Because that's the way it was in WWII.
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Re: Destroy a plane yet no kill or assist
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2013, 09:55:52 AM »
You may be misunderstanding, it's normal for a pilot to get credited with a kill when his target ditches in aces high no matter if the ditched pilot lived or died. I don't care about what happens to the ditched pilot, that isn't the issue here. The issue is shooting down a plane and not getting credit for it. If you pluck the wings off of a plane and it splashes down in the ocean, that's a kill in everybody's book. In aces high we're awarded kills for destroying planes, not pilots. Why? Because that's the way it was in WWII.

I think you may be misunderstanding here. This is a game, "IF" someone ditches they didn't "die" so you can't have a kill. All the numbers have to match, it's all or nothing in a game. Computers are 1's and 0's. Have you checked the scores? They have nothing in there about how many planes you shot down, only kills. If you don't kill you don't get credit for a kill. Again, this IS NOT WWII so those rules don't apply.