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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2013, 08:47:14 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ki-43 gets more use than the Brewster in game.

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Is there any parameter in which its inferior to the Brewster? Save armament, of course.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #61 on: March 07, 2013, 08:54:15 PM »
Is there any parameter in which its inferior to the Brewster? Save armament, of course.

The B-239 is more rugged than the Ki-43 and probably can take a little bit of more punishment.

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2013, 09:03:53 PM »
It's only a waste if you never step outside the LW. This thing is going to get a lot of use in other venues.

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2013, 09:20:28 PM »
Is there any parameter in which its inferior to the Brewster? Save armament, of course.

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2013, 09:26:12 PM »
I would have to say the Brewster is probably better in the dive, while the Oscar would likely be better in the climb.

Although, both aircraft have fabric covered control surfaces, but from my perspective the Brew dives VERY well in Aces High.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2013, 09:29:01 PM »
Depending on the version, it will not take much to knock these fighters out of the sky (ki-43), the later versions will survive a bit better with self sealing tanks and the armor behind the cockpit, all in all the structure or each aircraft may as well be night and day. Every indication says the brewster will be able to handle much more punishment then the ki-34 ever could. It should also be noted the engines caught fire very easy. Making even head on's while in the ki-43, a very bad idea.



I also retract my statement about the HE ammo used, not only was the round not as good as the .50 right off the bat "less power and less m/s",the rounds tended to blow up on impact before any type of penetration was made, in most ranges they wouldn't even have a effect on normal a/c plane skin that a copper jacket .50 cal would have.  That kind of make me sad in ways,but i still wonder what the effect would be if it hit a plane with a damaged fuel tank, if it would set fire better then normal gun fire. Or if the blast range would help the ki-43 while straffing troops. Im sure any effect would not be huge,as even the 37mm on the p-39's blast range is well....very limited. However i also question if the HE ammo was used in a pure HE form or if they slipped some ap & copper jacket round in the belt as well. If that is the case it would just become a low grade lower damage .50 cal bmg.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2013, 09:39:46 PM »
In spite of it's percieved weakness, it shot down more allied planes than any other japanese plane.

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2013, 09:46:43 PM »
The B-239 is more rugged than the Ki-43 and probably can take a little bit of more punishment.

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Rugged as in g-force related stress, or gunfire?

Because I've never felt the brew to be able to take much of a hit. Certainly not enough to make me take it over the A6M.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2013, 09:47:06 PM »
Most excellent.
Now the biggest gap in the planeset is a true midwar Soviet built fighter.

Hmmm... I'd almost say a Soviet bomber is a bigger "need" for their plane set.  I'm under the impression that the Yak-9U was an early 1943 plane, and the La5FN was a late 1943 plane.  
Either way, the Soviets are void of a level bomber.   :)

FWIW, you bananas hoping for an accurate representation of a Oscar vs a Brewster Buffalo knife fight need to remember that the Brewsters that were in the PTO are not in AH.  What AH has and what was used by the Dutch, RAF, FAA, RAAF, USN, etc, are two different things. We all know the Brewster we have in AH is not an accurate representation of anything but a Finn's wet dream.   :bolt:      ;)   

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2013, 09:56:37 PM »
BaDkaRmA158Th,

Against structures the 12.7mm Ho-103 does 1.000lbs of damage per hit, as compared to the Browning .50's 1.170lbs and the 13mm MG131's 0.920lbs.  I don't have the numbers for the Breda 12.7mm gun or the Soviet 12.7mm gun yet.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #70 on: March 07, 2013, 09:58:28 PM »
But it wont w1N tEh WaRz!


OMG, ur so rite dude!

Like, what were they thinking?

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2013, 10:04:22 PM »
       They were thinking:  "Take that red dude, pew pew pew!"  :D
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2013, 10:07:40 PM »
BaDkaRmA158Th,

Against structures the 12.7mm Ho-103 does 1.000lbs of damage per hit, as compared to the Browning .50's 1.170lbs and the 13mm MG131's 0.920lbs.  I don't have the numbers for the Breda 12.7mm gun or the Soviet 12.7mm gun yet.

Oh wow the mg 131 only has 0.920!?

From what i understand is it was a Ho-103 using a smaller and weaker breda round.  Might this end up being one of the weakest 12.7mm found in the game?

400 rpg firing through a prop, less m/s then most .50's and HE round's that would blow up before penetration. Almost makes the 7.7mm options more viable as they would at least have a chance of penetration. :|


Also wondering if using one .30cal & one .50 cal would make this aircraft effective when firing at wings and gas tanks, think of the .30 chewing holes and allowing fule to leak out,while the .50's blow up on the outside setting fire to things. Whatcha' think?
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2013, 10:13:31 PM »
They are the same 12.7mm guns as on the Ki-61 and Ki-84, and from experience the two on the Ki-84 are quite usable once the cannon ammo is gone.

400rpm would be more accurate, but if I recall correctly AH just docks 10% of the full rate of fire for any synchronized weapons.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #74 on: March 07, 2013, 10:22:06 PM »
BaDkaRmA158Th,

Against structures the 12.7mm Ho-103 does 1.000lbs of damage per hit, as compared to the Browning .50's 1.170lbs and the 13mm MG131's 0.920lbs.  I don't have the numbers for the Breda 12.7mm gun or the Soviet 12.7mm gun yet.

US/UK M2 .50 cal = 1.17 lbs
Soviet UBS 12.7mm = 1.15 lbs (which is surprising because it fired a slightly heavier projectile at a slightly higher velocity compared vs the US .50 cal yet does less damage, not much but still  :headscratch: )
Japanese Ho-103 12.7mm = .99 lbs
Italian Breda-SAFAT 12.7mm = .95 lbs
German MG131 13mm = 0.92 lbs

Remember, the damage done to OBJ does not necessarily correlate exactly to damage done to aircraft and vehicles.

In regards to the lethality of a pair of cowl mounted MG's, be it .30 cals or .50 cals, remember that the speeds in which aircraft fought in the 1930's and early 1940's were quite a bit slower than what air combat evolved in to even by 1943.  A pair of MG's with the proper ammo is all that was needed for the aircraft of the 1930's in most cases.   
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