Poor FrauB, 1 kill and 153 deaths :(

[SilverZ06]

The perk system is meant to restrict usage of high powered/rare planes which would otherwise dominate the arena but still allow them in principle.
The deal is: you place yourself at a disadvantage and get rewarded by killing stuff in lesser planes.
It's the same for every player. It is fair.
Vulching shades is not honoring the deal. It is unfair, even if its just milking a few points to fly the odd perk plane or padding stats.

Surely you see that someone not playing by the rules will have an effect on your gameplay at some point?

nope, I don't care how anyone got their perk points, it's really none of my business. But, if the person got their perks by shade vulching chances are they are not "skilled" enough to use those perks in a threatening manner. They would most likely get made short work of which is the reason they have to shade vulch in the first place. If they do kill me in their perk ride I still don't care. I'll reup a brand new airplane and be on my merry way. You guys are taking the fun right out of the game for yourselves worrying about what everyone else does.

[SilverZ06]

Ruined my next post.
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The old room mate agreement  I love that show. Penny is smoking hot!

[Changeup]

The old room mate agreement  I love that show. Penny is smoking hot!

On another note, I would like to see your Citori and raise you a Benelli Super Black Eagle II with a skeet choke and may the best man win...I live in Dallas and shoot at the Winchester Gun Range (Qurum and 635) Come on big daddy!!  I'll buy the round of Skeet if you buy sporting clays.  Loser gets to buy Trap.

[SilverZ06]

On another note, I would like to see your Citori and raise you a Benelli Super Black Eagle II with a skeet choke and may the best man win...I live in Dallas and shoot at the Winchester Gun Range (Qurum and 635) Come on big daddy!!  I'll buy the round of Skeet if you buy sporting clays.  Loser gets to buy Trap.

I would love to! But I am in Florida  Going to shoot some sporting clays tomorrow morning. If I ever go to Dallas and bring my gun, you've got yourself a date 

[Triton28]

But, if the person got their perks by shade vulching chances are they are not "skilled" enough to use those perks in a threatening manner. They would most likely get made short work of which is the reason they have to shade vulch in the first place. If they do kill me in their perk ride I still don't care. I'll reup a brand new airplane and be on my merry way. You guys are taking the fun right out of the game for yourselves worrying about what everyone else does.

More Golden Rule - would you shade vulch?  If not, why?  Because it's below you?  I hope so.  If that's the case, call the spade a spade.

 

[SilverZ06]

More Golden Rule - would you shade vulch?  If not, why?  Because it's below you?  I hope so.  If that's the case, call the spade a spade.

 

No I would not shade vulch. I don't play for score or perks. Shade vulching would be extremely boring. I'd rather up my p38 and fight and die. I also would not care if the person I'm fighting got their plane by shade vulching.  If they beat me then I need to improve as it was more than likely something I did wrong in the fight. I play for my enjoyment and let others play for their's. If they feel the need to shade vulch for some reason it just doesn't affect me. I do think shade vulching is lame but I do not see why anyone should care that some feel the need to do it.

[Triton28]

The perk system is meant to restrict usage of high powered/rare planes which would otherwise dominate the arena but still allow them in principle.
The deal is: you place yourself at a disadvantage and get rewarded by killing stuff in lesser planes.
It's the same for every player. It is fair.
Vulching shades is not honoring the deal. It is unfair, even if its just milking a few points to fly the odd perk plane or padding stats.

Surely you see that someone not playing by the rules will have an effect on your gameplay at some point?

Spot on what I guess the rest of us couldn't convey.

 

[icepac]

The alt/F4 I routinely see from some pretty high ranked bombers is being gamed because the system is set up such that the "disco'er" suffers no consequences for a poorly conducted mission profile.

I usually see this when chasing milkrunners.

Apparently, they want to reap massive points for dropping a single bomb in 14 town centers but don't want to lose score by getting shot down...........so they alt/f4 and it's as if the mission never occurred.

I would like to see all missions count toward scorte regardless of how they end.

[Lusche]

Apparently, they want to reap massive points for dropping a single bomb in 14 town centers but don't want to lose score by getting shot down...........so they alt/f4 and it's as if the mission never occurred.

First, Alt/f4 doesn't "disco" you it kills you. The result of alt/f4 is simply a single "death"
Second, even 'regular' discos are not "as if the mission never occured". That's only the case with server induces disco's, for example at the war reset.
Normal discos are just that, a normal sortie with the "disco" ending, counting as half a death for score calculations, wich impacts several score categories.

[icepac]

So that means 2 less deaths than bailing all 3 buffs?

Maybe that isn't lost on the milkrunners.

The last disco I experienced in my first fighter sortie this tour scored me as two missions.....one death and one disco.

[Oddball-CAF]

It shouldn't have any effect on you.

There's where you're wrong. It -does- impact other people/pilots in
the game. With all of those kills comes a TON of fighter perks; the
end result of which is a 262, Tempest or other "perk ride" which
would otherwise not be in the air. 262s are pretty much a fun-killer
ride, ruining many a sortie or mission flown by folks who are
just lookin' to hop "in" Aces High for a bit to have some fun.
   So, personally I'm quite amused when I see a little charade
like this exposed.

Regards, Odd

[muzik]

There's where you're wrong. It -does- impact other people/pilots in
the game. With all of those kills comes a TON of fighter perks; the
end result of which is a 262, Tempest or other "perk ride" which
would otherwise not be in the air. 262s are pretty much a fun-killer
ride, ruining many a sortie or mission flown by folks who are
just lookin' to hop "in" Aces High for a bit to have some fun.
   So, personally I'm quite amused when I see a little charade
like this exposed.

Regards, Odd

I don't agree. The fact that he has to cheat to get it means he doesn't have the skill to use it. Yea he's going to ruin the fun of a couple victims, but most likely he will be out of business again in no time.

[caldera]

nope, I don't care how anyone got their perk points, it's really none of my business. But, if the person got their perks by shade vulching chances are they are not "skilled" enough to use those perks in a threatening manner. They would most likely get made short work of which is the reason they have to shade vulch in the first place. If they do kill me in their perk ride I still don't care. I'll reup a brand new airplane and be on my merry way. You guys are taking the fun right out of the game for yourselves worrying about what everyone else does.

If you don't care how someone plays the game, why so many posts telling people what they shouldn't care about?

Others disapproving of a shady player's illicit gains is wrong but you telling people what not to disapprove of is right.  Got it. 

[Vinkman]

I don't agree. The fact that he has to cheat to get it means he doesn't have the skill to use it. Yea he's going to ruin the fun of a couple victims, but most likely he will be out of business again in no time.

I politely, disagree. Dog fight a 262 and you will eventually lose it. But hey if they're "Free" because of perk farming, no worries. I'll bet some of these shade farmers are will eventually be the best 262 pilots in the game. You can't up 262s in the DA. So the only real dog fighting experience you can get is in the MA. That experience is supposed to be limitted because of the perk system. But if you can just Perk farm by killing shades, there is, effectively, no perk system.

[Vinkman]

your logic is flawed in that everyone in the top spots (overall not just a specific categories)  game the game in one way or another to get those top spots. Bombing runs where you drop 1 bomb in the center of one town and move on, running from fights, staying way high and picking people, spawn camping, etc etc. What they do is no different, it is just harder to track. The scoring system in itself in my opinion has ruined the game play. It encourages such behavior.

If you do not know where to draw line between Bernie Madoff, KJU, Hitler, and a video game, well nothing I can say will change that.

Pewter, Are you saying you see no difference between milk running and shade killing? How busy and dangerous the virtual skies are varies from hour to hour and can't be controlled, but may be predicted. Players using knowlege of where the enemy is to avoid them is part of the game.
Shade killing is not using game knowlege, it's controlling the enemy. It's controlling the part of the game that is not supposed to be in your control.

It's like having your brother on the opposing basketball team and having him keep turning the ball over to you so you can score 100 points. It's cheating. Plane and simple. Equating strategy and optimization with cheating because they both produce easier results is logically, and ethicly bankrupt.

Not trying to be heavy handed with that wording, I think you are just trying to flipant, and express you disregard for milk runners perhaps.