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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2013, 11:07:20 AM »
Again......as stated in another thread.........some of us have more experience than you ever will and therefore do things you do not possess the knowledge to understand.
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2013, 11:19:10 AM »
Nice.

Yeah... He has experience on making blunt remarks without being able to back them up.
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2013, 11:35:13 AM »
Hey I'm just reading :).  I'm not really tech savy.  Just enjoy some good internet arguments to watch. From what I read is he saying that he has all of those old OS's on one computer? 
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2013, 11:37:53 AM »
Hey I'm just reading :).  I'm not really tech savy.  Just enjoy some good internet arguments to watch. From what I read is he saying that he has all of those old OS's on one computer? 

If the computer has really old hardware that's easily achievable. The trick is to get any current hardware to run on such old OSes because the hardware manufacturers no longer make drivers for the old OS versions ;)
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2013, 11:41:09 AM »
Oh spare me the BS. There are no drivers available for any current hardware to those ancient OSes. You may be able to gimp along somehow but even that's pretty unbelievable.

Actually, the default mode for all Intel based motherboards has been consistent since the 80386 was introduced.  Not too hard to believe those old operating systems would run.  It would not be pretty due to the lack of native drivers for the video card (VGA mode still works).  No sound would available either, unless you had a really old Creative card in the computer.

The rest has pretty much stayed the same (set the SATA ports to run IDE mode) and I could see those old operating systems working,...not well,..but working.
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2013, 11:42:22 AM »
Oh cool.  I remember you and some other guys were arguing about how Apple phones don't get viruses.  The other day at my Tech school the IT teacher handed out to all the classes a sheet of programs to protect your computer.  On the sheet at the bottom it had programs for Apple OS and Mac stuff.  In parentheses it says ( Yes, Apple computers can and do get viruses too!). I kind of laughed cause I remember reading the posts about how they were a little better about not getting them.  Correct me if I am wrong here lol.
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2013, 12:59:00 PM »
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You want an SSD for OS.
why? and what is the advantage?
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2013, 01:19:08 PM »
why? and what is the advantage?

It is the brute force method of getting some extra performance from the operating system.  It really is not needed if you take some time to setup the operating system and hardware to suit your needs.  I would rather take the money spent on an SSD and get faster RAM and CPU and video card. 

That's just me.
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2013, 02:55:32 PM »
thanks for the answer about the SSD.
My current XP Pro setup is a RAID 0 using 2 160Gb HDs. I know that this is risky but I have learned to backup my files on memory sticks. I'll probably go with RAID 0 again.
All I will be using a new computer for is AH and a little history searching on the web.

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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2013, 11:18:15 PM »
If the computer has really old hardware that's easily achievable. The trick is to get any current hardware to run on such old OSes because the hardware manufacturers no longer make drivers for the old OS versions ;)

You are limiting yourself to the manufacturers themselves concerning drivers much like you limited yourself in that "markmonitor" comment on another thread.........which you obviously abandoned when you finally got around to checking and found  I was right.

There are plenty of drivers out there for most any hardware configuration......but you have to look.......they won't magically float onto your hard drive and you sometimes have to write your own way to get it onto your computer.

Hell.....I even run games that need the dos4gw extender on current hardware and modern OS's.

One of the tricks for that is to keep your path statement as short as possible and to set up a dos environment using virtual IRQs, IO, and DMA.

If you trace my motherboard ownership history you find systems such as

486DX50.......full DX 50mhz bus....not a dx-2 and I even found a VLB video card that successfully ran at the full bus speed.

Iwill P55tu running a pentium mmx 200 with aic7880 ultra wide scsi and the optional adaptec ARO1130 raid controller, has two sound cards in it, an ati 3dpro-turbo+pc to tv with 8mb of sgram along with the optional tv tuner card.

This allowed me to play the latest games, mix multiple channels of music, play a hardware synth with 32 megs of sample ram, capture video, output video to tv, and watch tv on the computer as well as record CDs (in 1995) with the philips cdd2000............I still have it and it still runs though most (not all) of the scsi drives and the cdd2000 have died so I no longer record cds with it but I did use it the other day to use with a midi keyboard and output spdif to a mixer.

At the time, I was supporting a software package that required up to 38 CDroms which I mounted on the scsi hard drives and I had 5 external drives in cases.......some of which I still use with an old fostex digital 4 channel recorder instead of the computer.

ABIT KT7A raid.......only recently died but I ran three sound cards, tv tuner and capture, and the old and reliable awe32 with 32 megs of sample ram onboard for zero latency.....not low latency....but zero latency just like in the pentium I above.

I don't run dos3 on my latest computer because I don't need to but I can run every microsoft OS from early dos versions to the latest windows on a KT7A raid and have full ISA bus functionality unlike the "quasi isa" as found on my current ADEK I7 processor motherboard.

If you have the will, you will find a way to get the functionality you want out of your hardware and most of my systems are mixing parts listed as incompatible with each other.......which I found is mostly BS from frustrated owners.

There was a lot of trial and error in the system examples above but I did the legwork myself and made more than my share of custom .inf files that pointed to drivers not intended for the hardware but that I found would work.

What I got was functionality far beyond the standard.

What I am saying, ripley, is that you can't make a blanket statement about compatibility or value of what I have done with my various OS's over the years without having traveled a similar path as mine.

I've long ago moved away from staying on the cutting edge of "personal computing" and now customize engine management systems for cars but that knowledge and ability remains in my head without the need for internet research to make a point.

Actually, the default mode for all Intel based motherboards has been consistent since the 80386 was introduced.  Not too hard to believe those old operating systems would run.  It would not be pretty due to the lack of native drivers for the video card (VGA mode still works).  No sound would available either, unless you had a really old Creative card in the computer.

The rest has pretty much stayed the same (set the SATA ports to run IDE mode) and I could see those old operating systems working,...not well,..but working.

It is true that intel processors are extremely similar going way back and I feel they are still wringing all they can from the basic architecture originally shown in the pentium pro though I think there was a good leap when the pentium M showed how to get more with less as opposed to the pentium 4.

Yes skuzzy, I do run a very old creative soundcard in the kt7a raid and the old Iwill p55tu that has onboard memory........and it works for every modern OS I've tried but I haven't tried windows 8 on it.

Hell....I even have a choice of asio or wdm drivers.

I don't run it on the newest ADEK I7 based system even though it has an isa slot because the new systems have a DMA issue with the ISA slot so I fear that path has finally closed for many interface cards with isa interface.
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2013, 02:31:43 AM »
Actually, the default mode for all Intel based motherboards has been consistent since the 80386 was introduced.  Not too hard to believe those old operating systems would run.  It would not be pretty due to the lack of native drivers for the video card (VGA mode still works).  No sound would available either, unless you had a really old Creative card in the computer.

The rest has pretty much stayed the same (set the SATA ports to run IDE mode) and I could see those old operating systems working,...not well,..but working.

Yeah I don't count gimping along with 80% of functionality missing as running.
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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2013, 02:42:12 AM »
You are limiting yourself to the manufacturers themselves concerning drivers much like you limited yourself in that "markmonitor" comment on another thread.........which you obviously abandoned when you finally got around to checking and found  I was right.

Uh excuse me? I never even read that thread after I figured you were just being monitored for p2p traffic. Rest assured none of my computers are connected to 'markmonitor' in any shape or form LOL!

Edit: I went back to the thread and replied to you there. My guess is you installed your OS from a brand computers OEM installation disc which had some spy/bloatware embedded in it, typical to OEM. My clean Win7 install using an original Win7 media boots me up to a totally connection free status. If I open the Google site there are only two connections, both to Google Inc. Mind you this is when using Firefox - IE will open about 30 connections to all sorts of places ms.com, akamai, outlook.com ..

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There are plenty of drivers out there for most any hardware configuration......but you have to look.......they won't magically float onto your hard drive and you sometimes have to write your own way to get it onto your computer.

Ok show me where to get a Win95 driver for my 7990 Radeon. Or are you just words again?

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Hell.....I even run games that need the dos4gw extender on current hardware and modern OS's.

One of the tricks for that is to keep your path statement as short as possible and to set up a dos environment using virtual IRQs, IO, and DMA.

If you trace my motherboard ownership history you find systems such as

486DX50.......full DX 50mhz bus....not a dx-2 and I even found a VLB video card that successfully ran at the full bus speed.

Iwill P55tu running a pentium mmx 200 with aic7880 ultra wide scsi and the optional adaptec ARO1130 raid controller, has two sound cards in it, an ati 3dpro-turbo+pc to tv with 8mb of sgram along with the optional tv tuner card.

This allowed me to play the latest games, mix multiple channels of music, play a hardware synth with 32 megs of sample ram, capture video, output video to tv, and watch tv on the computer as well as record CDs (in 1995) with the philips cdd2000............I still have it and it still runs though most (not all) of the scsi drives and the cdd2000 have died so I no longer record cds with it but I did use it the other day to use with a midi keyboard and output spdif to a mixer.

At the time, I was supporting a software package that required up to 38 CDroms which I mounted on the scsi hard drives and I had 5 external drives in cases.......some of which I still use with an old fostex digital 4 channel recorder instead of the computer.

ABIT KT7A raid.......only recently died but I ran three sound cards, tv tuner and capture, and the old and reliable awe32 with 32 megs of sample ram onboard for zero latency.....not low latency....but zero latency just like in the pentium I above.

I don't run dos3 on my latest computer because I don't need to but I can run every microsoft OS from early dos versions to the latest windows on a KT7A raid and have full ISA bus functionality unlike the "quasi isa" as found on my current ADEK I7 processor motherboard.

If you have the will, you will find a way to get the functionality you want out of your hardware and most of my systems are mixing parts listed as incompatible with each other.......which I found is mostly BS from frustrated owners.

There was a lot of trial and error in the system examples above but I did the legwork myself and made more than my share of custom .inf files that pointed to drivers not intended for the hardware but that I found would work.

What I got was functionality far beyond the standard.

What I am saying, ripley, is that you can't make a blanket statement about compatibility or value of what I have done with my various OS's over the years without having traveled a similar path as mine.

What exactly do you know about my history with computers? Again you're making blanket statements with no actual data to back anything up. FYI I started computing with C64 around 1986 and coded my first small assembler program using it in 1987 :) By the way if you like tinkering, with Linux you can (or have to) still micromanage drivers like that. Although it's getting less common even there, which IMO is a positive thing.

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I've long ago moved away from staying on the cutting edge of "personal computing" and now customize engine management systems for cars but that knowledge and ability remains in my head without the need for internet research to make a point.

It is true that intel processors are extremely similar going way back and I feel they are still wringing all they can from the basic architecture originally shown in the pentium pro though I think there was a good leap when the pentium M showed how to get more with less as opposed to the pentium 4.

Yes skuzzy, I do run a very old creative soundcard in the kt7a raid and the old Iwill p55tu that has onboard memory........and it works for every modern OS I've tried but I haven't tried windows 8 on it.

Hell....I even have a choice of asio or wdm drivers.

I don't run it on the newest ADEK I7 based system even though it has an isa slot because the new systems have a DMA issue with the ISA slot so I fear that path has finally closed for many interface cards with isa interface.


So now after all this brou-ha-ha you admit you can get 'most modern OSes to run' with slightly dated hardware. So my question remains, what were you thinking to do with the ancient OSes which you can't any longer run with current hardware? Do you keep old computers around for nostalgia reasons or what? Seems like that. I have a friend like you - he brings old outcommissioned computers home from his work at the hospital. He runs BSD on them and I think he has something like 6 old servers and workstations running as we speak lol! And believe it or not his wife didn't divorce him yet.
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2013, 10:11:07 AM »
You might want to edit that post after you resolve the addresses in the netstat screenshots you provided.


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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2013, 10:16:20 AM »
You might want to edit that post after you resolve the addresses in the netstat screenshots you provided.



Both addresses resolve to Google Inc - already checked that.

Edit: Now I see what you mean :D

So Markmonitor is probably owned by Google and is providing DNS services for it. So no 'spying' is going on anywhere. Any information you type to Google search is going to be saved and profiled by your IP or even worse, your user account info anyway.
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Re: Microsoft Windows XP has one year to live
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2013, 10:26:11 AM »
Here is the full resolution of 173.194.32.23 that was provided in your screenshot.