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Offline Zoney

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Drafting............
« on: April 10, 2013, 03:41:16 PM »
or buffeting when behind another aircraft .

Is it modeled here?  Is there a noticeable advantage from flying close and drafting another aircraft in real life ?

If it is not modeled here would you like to see it done?

I'm curious, in motorcycle roadracing it is a very bid deal.  I have raced on the highbanks of Daytona and there it is everything.

Thank you in advance for your attention and replies.
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Offline cobia38

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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 04:19:04 PM »

 correct me if i am wrong,but wouldent "drafting" in a Aircraft cause the trailing plane to stall  :headscratch:


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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 04:24:03 PM »
It would help to some degree but not directly behind. Much for much the same reasons migratory birds fly in formation to reduce fatigue.
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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 04:24:20 PM »
I've requested propwash be added in the past.
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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 05:40:20 PM »
I've requested propwash be added in the past.

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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 05:46:29 PM »
I'm all for it but I don't think most people really comprehend how much of a bi!@# it'll be in our day to day AH-activities.  I do think it would be good to add contrails and/ exhaust trails with such a feature, it will help and not just be eye-candy.  It'll make taking off in groups much more difficult (and griping for a good 30-60 seconds at the heavy B-24s that just tookoff on your runway).  Intercepting and escorting (or formation flying) along with B-29s will be a blast.

Ultimatley I think it's a bad idea because it's another hurdle for a new player to overcome, ontop of the challenge of finally sadling up that first fighter on fighter kill they now might get slaped in the face (by prob wash) during that last ("glorious") moment when they're lining up their first kill shot.... unless you wanted to encourage them to HO more, then maybe...
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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 05:54:14 PM »
So, you would rather encourage them (noobs) to attack from dead six on bombers?

Great idea!  :rolleyes:
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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 06:01:39 PM »
I've requested propwash be added in the past.

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Offline homersipes

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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 06:05:10 PM »
well I learned this in groundschool a while back about wingtip vortices
http://cospilot.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/wingtip-vortices-and-wake-turbulence-explained/
kinda same but different :lol

Offline Busher

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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2013, 08:26:12 PM »
Its called "wake turbulance" and all planes make some.....Bigger the plane.....bigger the wake. Typically only swept wings create measurable wingtip votices.

If it were modelled it would tend to de-stabilize the "on six" aircraft. Suspect most would not like that.

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Offline Oldman731

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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 08:30:50 PM »
Typically only swept wings create measurable wingtip votices.


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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 08:38:05 PM »
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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2013, 12:29:26 AM »
I've requested propwash be added in the past.

  Why?  Is your prop dirty?   :bolt:

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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 07:44:38 AM »
The FAA is usually a very good place to start. Example: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/orders_notices/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1020684


The FAA is where I started, with AIM 7-3-3(a), for example:

"The strength of the vortex is governed by the
weight, speed, and shape of the wing of the generating
aircraft. The vortex characteristics of any given
aircraft can also be changed by extension of flaps or
other wing configuring devices as well as by change
in speed. However, as the basic factor is weight, the
vortex strength increases proportionately. Peak
vortex tangential speeds exceeding 300 feet per
second have been recorded. The greatest vortex
strength occurs when the generating aircraft is
HEAVY, CLEAN, and SLOW."

I've never heard that only swept-wing planes generate measurable vortices, and was just wondering what the source might be.

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Re: Drafting............
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2013, 10:07:54 AM »
While in my world more physics=better game, I'd think wake turbulence would be extraordinarily processor heavy to model in any detail.  Love the thought though.

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