Tanking

[WWhiskey]

I sent you a PM.  If we can't get together on a time, I suggest you go to your offline part of the game and practice on the tanks sitting on the field, you can even add more tanks  by moving the drone pilots to whatever you want them to drive, or fly!

[Wiley]

I was hitting at 2.2k with AP. The fact that the ricochets were bouncing off at different angles meant I was hitting in different locations. I've studied armor and velocity charts, hence the confusion. I'll probably reply to WWhiskey's offer in the training room since that seems the most reasonable. The geometry answers seem to assume I just point and shoot but know nothing. Thanks for all the perspectives gamers.

What most people assume, based on the 'number of shots I hit him with' comment in the OP, is that you're assuming it's a standard 'the tank has a certain number of HP, and if I hit it enough times it will die' mentality.

That's not how AH tanking works.  If a round ricochets, it does no damage at all.  You can empty the clip into a tank, and if none of them penetrate, it receives no damage whatsoever.  That's a pretty wide divergence from pretty much every other game out there.

WWhiskey will be able to help I'm sure.

Wiley.

[whiteman]

The best way to kill tanks is by dropping an egg on their head.

[scott66]

lol it would be more refreshing if i knew what i was talking about

it is do refreshing to see people explaining the "range and angle of impact" trump cards.     

BTW... the T34/85mm AP round is only ahead of the M3, T34/76, M4/75, and Pzr IV F/2.  Otherwise, it takes a back seat to the M4/76 and M18, Pzr IV H, Tiger, Panther, Firefly, and Tiger II (and in that order).   

[Iraqvet]

I use a T34/85 and hit a Panzer 7 times in various places and they bounce off. I get killed in one shot by same. Something is wrong with that don't you think.

If you are bouncing rounds off then you need only adjust your range down a bit and fire. Proper range will only require 1-2 shots to kill a tank.   

[SmokinLoon]

If you are bouncing rounds off then you need only adjust your range down a bit and fire. Proper range will only require 1-2 shots to kill a tank.   

and again... angle of impact can trump that range.  If the impact angle is °45 or less, in many cases David can shrug off Goliath.  There is nothing more frustrating that being in a powerhouse tank (Firefly, Panther, Tiger, etc) and having rounds bounce off what otherwise would be an easy kill at an acceptable range.  I think we've all had that enemy tank with the tip of his hull sticking out from behind a hedgerow or mound at 1000 yards but thanks to the slanted angle of what is being presented the rounds glance off in to the sky.  Facing dead on that same tank would have been sent back to the tower after the first shot.   

[SkyRock]

What it looks like to have a tank shell coming at you.... no gore, just a vid from syria... tank fires almost directly at the guy filming... they slow it down and you can see the shell coming in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJo4xPp17Bg

[Mano]

Work with WWhiskey. He has been around a long time and is one of the most feared GV'ers in the game.
Killing tanks really depends on where you hit them.

 

[Chalenge]

I was hitting at 2.2k with AP. The fact that the ricochets were bouncing off at different angles meant I was hitting in different locations. I've studied armor and velocity charts, hence the confusion. I'll probably reply to WWhiskey's offer in the training room since that seems the most reasonable. The geometry answers seem to assume I just point and shoot but know nothing. Thanks for all the perspectives gamers.

At 2.2k the AP of the T34/85 is weak in penetrating power and it doesn't take much of an angle off your target to cause a ricochet. At half that range you can kill anything in one shot, so get used to comparing the width of your reticle to the size of the tank and fire only within the killing range of your ammunition. One of the greatest strengths of the T34/85 is its low profile and ability to disappear into the terrain. Use that to your advantage.

[HawkerMKII]

I use a T34/85 and hit a Panzer 7 times in various places and they bounce off. I get killed in one shot by same. Something is wrong with that don't you think.

LAG that will be the answer you get...100% all American lag

[Tank-Ace]

At 2.2k the AP of the T34/85 is weak in penetrating power and it doesn't take much of an angle off your target to cause a ricochet. At half that range you can kill anything in one shot, so get used to comparing the width of your reticle to the size of the tank and fire only within the killing range of your ammunition. One of the greatest strengths of the T34/85 is its low profile and ability to disappear into the terrain. Use that to your advantage.

Its greatest advantage is HVAP. I mean let's face it, without that high velocity lump of tungsten, it would arguably be inferior to the Panzer IV F.

[Karnak]

Its greatest advantage is HVAP. I mean let's face it, without that high velocity lump of tungsten, it would arguably be inferior to the Panzer IV F.

It is much faster and has better protection than the Panzer IV F.

[MK-84]

Its greatest advantage is HVAP. I mean let's face it, without that high velocity lump of tungsten, it would arguably be inferior to the Panzer IV F.

Panzer IV F    penetration: 126 106 94
T34/85 penetration:  (AP)  120 106 90

That is almost effectively equal.  The T34 also has superior armor and a faster speed.

Edit:  With regards to armor. The T34/85 also enjoys an advantage in ability to penetrate a Panzer IV F's armor at any range.  There is no argument.  The Panzer IV F is outclassed vs a T34/85 in every possible way.  Perhaps that's why it enjoys a perk and the later has an eny of 40.

[Tank-Ace]

Armor isn't everything. Personally, I feel the optics are superior, and it carries smoke, which I use heavily. Reloads faster ad well.

Notice I said arguably, too. The T-34 would be better for brawling, but the Panzer would have more tricks to use.

And I kind of doubt the T-34 would be perked without HVAP.

[SmokinLoon]

Armor isn't everything. Personally, I feel the optics are superior, and it carries smoke, which I use heavily. Reloads faster ad well.

Notice I said arguably, too. The T-34 would be better for brawling, but the Panzer would have more tricks to use.

And I kind of doubt the T-34 would be perked without HVAP.

Ding ding.  If I know I'm going round for round vs a T34 at 2000+ yards, I have no fear if I'm in anything with good optics and good armor.  The T34's have the worst optics in AH and rightfully so.  At 2000 yards the T34 can't tell where the rounds are hitting and the adjustment of fire is not easy.

Also, keep in mind the HVAP is jack squat beyond 1200 yards.  Any advantage it had due to velocity is lost thanks to its low weight and plummeting kinetic energy.  Oh, and I think the T34/85 would indeed be perked without the HVAP thanks to its speed and armor.  Also, the T34/85 has the fastest turret twist rate of any tank in AH.