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Offline Tank-Ace

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Nashorn tank destroyer
« on: April 15, 2013, 10:23:06 PM »
German heavy SP anti-tank gun. Essentially an 88mm Pak 43 mounted on top of a Panzer III/IV hull (Panzer IV chassis, Panzer III upper hull, IIRC).

Armor was 25mm on the front plate, or 15mm on the casemate/gunshield. Armor was even thinner on the sides and rear, with no top armor. Extremely vulnerable as you can imagine. However, it packs one hell of a whallop, same as the Tiger II. It would be second only to the Jagdtiger, which is extremely unlikely to be added any time soon, if at all.


Now, the reason why we should add this? Its a fairly unique vehicle, that would offer a play style different from that of any other vehicle in the game. Where as the M18  is fast, reaonably armed, and very vulnerable, the Nashorn will be average speed, very heavily armed, and very VERY vulnerable.

Playstyle would likely center on ambush and long-range engagments. If you want to get up close and smack someone in the face for a guaranteed kill, I'm sure it would work, you'd just run the risk of losing perks (not a chance in hell this thing would be free, since the M18 is perked).


Additonally, it gives us a chance to test out turretless TD's in a way the M3 GMC doesn't allow us to do, since it lacks the firepower and optics of a real TD. And think about it this way, even if the turretless TD's turn out to be a flop overall, this will still have a niche as a cheap, effective, but vulnerable heavy-hitter. Sort of like the Firefly, large potential, but more difficult to use properly.
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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2013, 08:24:46 AM »
+1,
I like the Vehicle, the animation of the gun would be awesome.. One of the older playstation games I have, has it, in a Real Life Scenario.. 3 Rinos have to face a Horde of T34's and KV1's.. In the snow, at night, with starshells popping overhead.. Battle actually happened, if you miss a shot, you get overrun.. The ultimate Tank Sniper vehicle..

Chassis can also be used for the Hummel..

I favor the STUG for 1st SP gun added tho.. Just because there were more STUGs than Tanks..

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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2013, 08:30:41 AM »
This is # 34 on the list of gv's to add.  There are a whole host of tanks or TD's that are ahead of it.  For AFV's w/o a turret, the StuG III and Su-100 would take priority, imo.   :aok
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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2013, 10:34:12 AM »
This is # 34 on the list of gv's to add.  There are a whole host of tanks or TD's that are ahead of it.  For AFV's w/o a turret, the StuG III and Su-100 would take priority, imo.   :aok

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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2013, 11:32:17 AM »
It would have to be perked pretty high, which is odd for such a vulnerable unit.  The reasoning is that a cheap unit capable of easily killing an expensive unit from long range would have a major chilling effect on the use of those expensive units.

The Nashorn is a unit of extremes, but its perk price would need to be based more on its extreme strength than its extreme weakness, not be balanced between the two.
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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2013, 03:00:50 PM »
The Nashorn is a unit of extremes, but its perk price would need to be based more on its extreme strength than its extreme weakness, not be balanced between the two.

Imagine a 50 perk vehicle being killed by a strafing D3A.  :devil
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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2013, 04:38:15 PM »
Imagine a 50 perk vehicle being killed by a strafing D3A.  :devil
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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2013, 06:08:51 PM »
I think the 20-25 perk range would suffice. An he round would smoke her if it landed close by, not to mention snailman quip on the vulnerablility of it

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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2013, 06:24:29 PM »
This is # 34 on the list of gv's to add.  There are a whole host of tanks or TD's that are ahead of it.  For AFV's w/o a turret, the StuG III and Su-100 would take priority, imo.   :aok

I disagree. Some of the visual modeling already exists, as does the weapon. And considering that it will always be useful as a Tiger hunter, it makes the Nashorn superior to the Su-100 for the first turretless TD.

If we had already had another, then yes. But the dynamics of the game play might make the Su 100 near useless. And it wouldn't have that niche to fall back on.
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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 06:38:11 PM »
Why are you making a wish thread for a game you don't even play?  :headscratch:
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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 06:41:12 PM »
Why are you making a wish thread for a game you don't even play?  :headscratch:
T'was wondering the same.

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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2013, 06:56:21 PM »
Nice looking vehicle, heavy punch but vulnerable. Don't forget the Jagdpanther - same gun but in fully armored environment.

BTW - modified Panzer IV chassis with some drivetrains components from Panzer III, engine moved forward so the gun could be mounted on the rear. Chassis of this so-called Geschützwagen III/IV was indeed also used for the Hummel.

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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2013, 07:10:19 PM »
Why are you making a wish thread for a game you don't even play?  :headscratch:

I got on for a month back before teachers started cramming for finals. And we have a rather large senior project to do.

I'll probably be back around June.
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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2013, 08:33:54 PM »
I got on for a month back before teachers started cramming for finals. And we have a rather large senior project to do.

I'll probably be back around June.

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Re: Nashorn tank destroyer
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2013, 09:26:59 PM »
Is the senior project "debate?"







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Nope, 12 page paper related to a potential career, 15 hours of job shadow in that field, a trifold on our project, and a presentation to community and school board members.
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