Countries out of balance

[bustr]

A few years ago, POTW being a large enough squad, we started noticing some common traits by the countries and our own across the various daily time periods.

1. - When the bish and rook hoard, pretty much they send the whole country to wipe out a single target.
2. - When the knights run missions, that accounts for the majority of players logged on to play air war not playing furball. The rest are somewhere in GV playing ground furball.
3. - If you want to take bases as a knight, have a big enough squad that you don't have to rely on the knights. It's nice if they show up to vulch. Makes the enemy believe it's a hoard instead of 12 guys taking a base with 5 or 6 guys hanging around to vulch.
4. - The most common statements you hear on range during what looks like knights trying to take a base are:
   a. - Are you playing with this base or trying to take it?
   b. - You know, if you deAck, it's easier to vulch. OOuch!! That had to hurt. See ya when you get back.
   c. - Did anyone bring bombs?
   d. - Did anyone bring troops? I just got the town white flagged........
   e. - Can you tanks kill that wirbel patch so we can kill those fighters trying to kill the troops?
   f. - Did anyone bring bombs for the GVs at the town?
   g. - Did anyone look for the resupply M3 that got town ack back up?
   h. - You hear this more often recently: Did you guys leave the ack up just so you could vulch uppers?

Knights seem a bit more interested in furballing land&air and vulching than capturing fields or winning the map. Which makes you have to accept that Check6's should be appreciated not expected. And you will wind up being ignored and on your own if you think anyone wants to rescue your kester once you are the only guy on the deck. But, everyone will show up to help kill your con even if he's missing half a wing and trailing smoke.

A few years ago POTW went on a country jumping vacation from the knights. Bish had your back because they were like rabbid piranha about killing the red guys. Even your red guy. But, they did it together. The rooks worked together and supported each other. We got lots of Check6. Both thought the knights were a joke because most of the time they never got it together to do anything. But, you didn't let the knights have an equal footing air to air. The best thing knights do is kick your kester when they can get an even break in the air.

If a couple of rook squads came over to the knights and ran the kinds of missions rooks are good at. They would be able to leverage the knights propensity for killing everything in the air while their squad rolled bases. Messiah runs his own fighter pickup mission concurrent with Free Bird missions specifically to take advantage of being able to pick up air to air kills. Doesn't hurt that he loads the P47's with bombs for good measure. Then he and his mission kills everything that tries to fly.

[WEZEL]

Knights will only roll bases for beer, booze and elf hookers........ not necessarily in that order 

[RotBaron]

Lol to how much truth there is in the two most previous posts.

Tex there was a point I was rather frustrated about it as well. I once thought about creating a very similar thread. However, I have played at almost all times of the day/night and I've noticed many different patterns, none pertain to Knights. There is no universal statement that covers how things usually are with Knights, even if it's at the same time the next day. There just isn't an actual pattern to us, and thus I say we are free spirits. I dare say this knowing what will come, but Knights (for the most part) don't follow each other around looking for the next base to take or what is needed to win the war. We seem to do whatever we want whenever. At first this bothered me, I'm way past that now. The why is because I don't care all that much about perks anymore. I rarely find a situation where I want to fly 262's and 163's are just too hands on watching the fuel for me to do very often (no I don't want their fuel increased.) Thus, what does winning a map really matter? That I think you'll find is the answer. I started game, my 2nd go around,  as Bish, then Rook, and have settled in as a Knight, basically for personal/personality reasons. I have a good understanding of what it's like on the other sides and imo for those of you who think it's the same on the Knights, you're just flat wrong.

IMO most Knights aren't interested in winning the map, 'tis what it is, most are able to earn the perks they want without the win. After most Knight wins I usually hear, "oh, nice I got some perks," almost like they didn't expect it. Nearly all pc games I've played over my life are strategy game and winning is the goal, but being a Knight is just a different beast. I've also found most resent the structured horde, and even when we do it's rare for you to hear "ok you've got the vh, john you get fh1..." More often you hear "what needs to be hit?"  It's a fluid situation and not by accident, it adds life (took me awhile to see this) & fun instead of routine.

I'll bet you can count in one day the same amount of Bish missions as you can in one month for Knights. Just the way it is.

You know you can always count some of us in for a base take when we're free and you know some just won't be interested.

The eny in its current state won't stop the rolling of bases, the 38G/T34-76 will always be there with enough to get the job done.

 

[Getback]

A few years ago, POTW being a large enough squad, we started noticing some common traits by the countries and our own across the various daily time periods.

1. - When the bish and rook hoard, pretty much they send the whole country to wipe out a single target.
2. - When the knights run missions, that accounts for the majority of players logged on to play air war not playing furball. The rest are somewhere in GV playing ground furball.
3. - If you want to take bases as a knight, have a big enough squad that you don't have to rely on the knights. It's nice if they show up to vulch. Makes the enemy believe it's a hoard instead of 12 guys taking a base with 5 or 6 guys hanging around to vulch.
4. - The most common statements you hear on range during what looks like knights trying to take a base are:
   a. - Are you playing with this base or trying to take it?
   b. - You know, if you deAck, it's easier to vulch. OOuch!! That had to hurt. See ya when you get back.
   c. - Did anyone bring bombs?
   d. - Did anyone bring troops? I just got the town white flagged........
   e. - Can you tanks kill that wirbel patch so we can kill those fighters trying to kill the troops?
   f. - Did anyone bring bombs for the GVs at the town?
   g. - Did anyone look for the resupply M3 that got town ack back up?
   h. - You hear this more often recently: Did you guys leave the ack up just so you could vulch uppers?

Knights seem a bit more interested in furballing land&air and vulching than capturing fields or winning the map. Which makes you have to accept that Check6's should be appreciated not expected. And you will wind up being ignored and on your own if you think anyone wants to rescue your kester once you are the only guy on the deck. But, everyone will show up to help kill your con even if he's missing half a wing and trailing smoke.

A few years ago POTW went on a country jumping vacation from the knights. Bish had your back because they were like rabbid piranha about killing the red guys. Even your red guy. But, they did it together. The rooks worked together and supported each other. We got lots of Check6. Both thought the knights were a joke because most of the time they never got it together to do anything. But, you didn't let the knights have an equal footing air to air. The best thing knights do is kick your kester when they can get an even break in the air.

If a couple of rook squads came over to the knights and ran the kinds of missions rooks are good at. They would be able to leverage the knights propensity for killing everything in the air while their squad rolled bases. Messiah runs his own fighter pickup mission concurrent with Free Bird missions specifically to take advantage of being able to pick up air to air kills. Doesn't hurt that he loads the P47's with bombs for good measure. Then he and his mission kills everything that tries to fly.

This is pretty spot on. I went to 65 last night only because I thought Walleye would be there and it was an actual base capture mission. I flew in from a ways off to get there and noticed a nice herd of Knights going that way. When I arrived the town was still mostly up. I dropped 2 eggs on a fighter hanger, destroyed it, and then fired my rockets at the town. Then with all the knights there no one was working the town. Same old knights. So foolishly I worked the town with my F6 50 cals. Finally the town turns white when one other guy joins me. But then it starts popping because Knights took so long to take it down. I got hoed and didn't bother returning afterwards. There was enough people there to have WF the town in less than a minute...........if they had eggs.

Even in Jayro's missions only a very few come with eggs. Most hope they can use the couple who do have eggs as bait.

[Ninthmessiah]

  Most hope they can use the couple who do have eggs as bait.

<---Guilty

[bustr]

Yeah right Messiah. You usually load out your FB Wonder Bra mission Jug's to the teeth and flatten the town before killing all the red guys. You do make em look good after the capture though........

[SPKmes]

<---Guilty

yep... between you and razor .... you guys get me very frustrated... make me kick puppies and the like 

[HawkerMKII]

Rook k/d is driven by a reputation of astronaut inspiration.  Put them co-alt with an equal number of Knights and I'd pick Knits to win.  Knights generally do not care about the war.  I care in principle, but often not in practice.  Perks are simply not an incentive, I'm sitting on about 4k fighter perks and still flying a 25ENY jug more than anything else.  

-I've built several missions over the past few years.  Only about 10% lifted due to lack of recruits.  (Not the type to throw all caps out for 20 min)
-The war has no meaning other than "getting to a better map."(when will that ever happen )  It is not uncommon for some knights to discourage the defense of bases for this purpose.
-In the end your own stats/achievements are persistent.  There is no incentive much less history viewable online showing who's winning the wars and what they got out of it.  Simply show the results and perhaps more people would be shamed into caring.
-Fostering unique country identity is a good thing imho.
-Tweaking the GUI for each country to differentiate them further would be nice.
-I support the 12hr side change rule.
-I believe that new subscribers should be assigned countries at random.
-I'd like to see a category called "strategic" perk points implemented for things such as resupping fields.  (Could be spent on any other perk category or transferred to newbs in order to ease the learning curve)

Many more thoughts but g2g.  

[MrGeezer]

what time of day?

certainly not during prime time (8-11 pm eastern)

during prime time, bishops are severely outnumbered by both other sides.

And, I thought that even if I had 1,000 full lietimes I would never agree with kvou on anything......well the above quote is true. 

I usually sign on in USA prime time just in time for the "double gang-bang the bishops night....every night.

Which tells me that if it takes 200+ people double teaming 100 then you know who the quality side really is....with crickets chirping on the knight/rook front.   

[icepac]

Will there eventually be a huge garage sale as the result of all this "hoarding"?

[Wiley]

I guess one could say we're hoarding perks, some more than others...

As to the country imbalances, different times mean different situations.  Early-mid evenings most weeknights I tend to see two large red bardars on the Bish fronts.  As time progresses, it gradually tapers off.  Around 11:00-12:00 EST or so and later the Bish are usually trying to head the other way, sometimes with resistance sometimes without.

Wiley.

[whiteman]

So basically things are the same as they were when I started, I'm just in the Knit side of things these days.

[sonic23]

On avarage it takes 5 bish or 4 rooks to kill 1 Knight,so the numbers a fine,we like a target rich enviroment  

4 kills per sorty here, we are fine lol

[Zoney]

4 kills per sorty here, we are fine lol

Gosh really ?   Gollygee..................... ..awesomesauce, I could never do that.

[Bender]

Like all the descriptions of how one side is different from another.  We are all the same pathetic fools spending way too much time flying a cartoon airplane around a make believe arena, and thinking we are really doing something realistic.