Perked load.

[Karnak]

Given that this would adversely affect the F8, and is entirely out of our hands when we get an actual fix, it wouldn't be entirely inappropriate to wave the restriction until it has the wing racks.

It adversely affects anything that carries a 1000lb class weapon.  You're asking for a special exemption for your toy because it is your toy.

Also, the Fw190F-8 has both a 500kg GP and 500kg SAP bomb on its option list right now.

[Tank-Ace]

It adversely affects anything that carries a 1000lb class weapon.  You're asking for a special exemption for your toy because it is your toy.

Im asking for exemption for my toy because it appears to be in a unique situation in the game.

Let me rephrase: it adversely affects the F8 to a greater degree in the context of historical capabilities, due to the 190F8 lacking a wider range of bomb options than most, perhaps all other aircraft.

That being so, and given that there is precedence for this type of action, it would not be inappropriate to wave the restriction until HTC adds the wing rack, so that the 190F better reflects is historical capabilities relative to other aircraft, and to let it keep its combat effectiveness in the MAs.

Also, the Fw190F-8 has both a 500kg GP and 500kg SAP bomb on its option list right now.

Yes, I edited my earlier post because my phone cut off the first part of my response.

[Butcher]

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500kg bomb, and it's already in the game. We're taking about the wing racks that could carry up to a 250kg bomb, and maybe a 500kg bomb (nobody was able to ID the 190 model in a photo)

Here's the information I have on the 190F and 190G

[thedoom26]

-10

[Zacherof]

Here's the information I have on the 190F and 190G

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dammit wish u took German in HS 
what's above the engine on the right photo? That a telescope or something?

[LilMak]

Although my wish has more to do with capacity than size, I don't think it would be fair to perk 1000lb type weapons on one group of fighters and not another. The perk cost seems fair to me because it would cost more to load a 51 than a 190. I also don't think it'll stop large squad ops from flattening bases but it may stem the tide a little. Instead of 30 plane fighter raids, it might bring it down to a more manageable number or, more importantly, bring a little more variety in the type of planes used in larger missions. If the distances in the arenas were greater, I would see no reason to perk the bombs. As it stands right now, a heavy fighter mission can launch and shut down a field before the enemy has any time to react. Valid tactic sure, but the commonality of these type of smash and grab tactics gives attackers a heavy advantage. Especially if they are using persuit fighters instead of bombers. It takes time to set up and fill a mission. It takes just as much or more time to set up a reasonable defense. This encourages large organized groups to attack instead of defend IMO and reduces the amount of air to air action the game has the potential to create.

[Kingpin]

I'd like to see 1k bombs for fighter aircraft be assigned a perk cost of 1 perk per bomb. As it stands now, I feel that fighter aircraft are being abused in the bomber role.

+1

I'd even suggest making it cost 5 perks per 1000lb bomb.

I see heavy P-51D's and P-47's used often as kamikazes against CVs and as base porkers, with little regard for survival.  Making it cost 10 perks (if you don't land) sounds like about the right price to curb the frequency of those who kamikaze 2,000 lbs on a CV or auger in on hangers.

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Ryno

[Noir]

totally+1 all fighters included. Expect hordes of 110's and nikies

[hammer]

+1

I'd even suggest making it cost 5 perks per 1000lb bomb.

I see heavy P-51D's and P-47's used often as kamikazes against CVs and as base porkers, with little regard for survival.  Making it cost 10 perks (if you don't land) sounds like about the right price to curb the frequency of those who kamikaze 2,000 lbs on a CV or auger in on hangers.

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Ryno

This. The kamikaze method of following bombs into the dar / hangar / ack whatever.... 

[Tank-Ace]

Here's the information I have on the 190F and 190G

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There was no difference in engine, control surfaces, etc between the various /Ux and /Rx models. All that represents in the majority of cases is a wing rack being mounted on the stock fighter, or MG/FFs being put in the outer wing.

And remember, if it has a U or R designation, it was an official upgrade package. In the case of /R upgrades, it was done in the field, but /U upgrades were typically factory installed.


So yes, the 250KG wing racks were technically on the Fw 190F-8/U1, adding the wing racks would turn our current stock 190F-8 into a 190F-8/U1 in every measurable way. It is to the point that differentiating between the various upgrades is pointless in most cases.

[Tank-Ace]

If HTC will commit to upgrading the 190's ordnance as the next update after ord limitations, then I'll support across the board limitations.

But if it's going to be a situation of waiting an unknown time and number of updates, perhaps years, with a severely gimped 190F, then no.

[Zacherof]

The 190 is going to be cheaper!

And I'm guessing he shall forever hold his peace

[HawkerMKII]

Heck yeah, why stop there......you want fuel..it's perked, you want ammo....it's perked...want to take off ...its perked...soon we'll have to pay to fly 

[LilMak]

I think 5 perks per bomb is a little extreme. 2 perks per egg max IMO.

Heck yeah, why stop there......you want fuel..it's perked, you want ammo....it's perked...want to take off ...its perked...soon we'll have to pay to fly 

Why stop there? Because i don't see hordes of LAs shutting down bases with 20mm. If it could be done, there would be no point in having ord or bombers in game. As it stands right now, I feel that bombers are underutilized simply because you can accomplish the mission easier with fighters that carry enough boom to kill a hangar, a couple ack guns, a GV, and still loiter in the area to pick off any enemy fighters that show up. Pursuit fighters also can cross typical MA distances faster and are much harder to intercept giving attacking groups a lopsided advantage. Perking 1000lb ord for fighters might give people a reason to grab a bomber instead is the current MA standard which is to throw as many 51s at a base as possible.

[Fish42]

I think 5 perks per bomb is a little extreme. 2 perks per egg max IMO.
Why stop there? Because i don't see hordes of LAs shutting down bases with 20mm. If it could be done, there would be no point in having ord or bombers in game. As it stands right now, I feel that bombers are underutilized simply because you can accomplish the mission easier with fighters that carry enough boom to kill a hangar, a couple ack guns, a GV, and still loiter in the area to pick off any enemy fighters that show up. Pursuit fighters also can cross typical MA distances faster and are much harder to intercept giving attacking groups a lopsided advantage. Perking 1000lb ord for fighters might give people a reason to grab a bomber instead is the current MA standard which is to throw as many 51s at a base as possible.

This is +1

I see valid medium buffs left in the hanger because a P51,jug,38 can carry almost as much, faster then the bomber. then on top of that when the 51 horde hits everything they can hang around with large amounts of fuel and ammo waiting to stop people flying in from another base or quickly kill anything that might have upped.