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Offline guncrasher

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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2013, 06:17:09 PM »
Unfortunately reality differs with your opinion. Boeings are just as automated as Airbuses these days. The only real difference is the fly-by-wire system. It's the autopilot systems that has killed people in planes from both manufacturers, not the flight controls.

and I thought it was the ground that had killed them all


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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2013, 06:23:44 PM »
If you want to get pedantic, it was really the sudden stop...
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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2013, 08:54:27 PM »
If you want to get pedantic, it was really the sudden stop...

The sudden stop certainly contributed but in reality it was the stress incurred when the sudden stop didn't happen at the exact same time for the plane and people.  Even a mild sudden stop can kill if not all the pieces stop at the same time.
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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2013, 10:49:47 AM »
Unfortunately reality differs with your opinion. Boeings are just as automated as Airbuses these days. The only real difference is the fly-by-wire system. It's the autopilot systems that has killed people in planes from both manufacturers, not the flight controls.
Ah, no, they are not.  Autopilots don't kill anyone anymore than spoons make Rosy O'donnell fat.
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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2013, 12:05:51 PM »




  A Korean Air Cargo plane crashed in 1999........


It was dark when the plane took off from London Stansted Airport, with the captain flying. When the captain tried to bank the plane to turn left, his ADI showed it not banking and the comparator alarm sounded repeatedly. The first officer, whose instrument would have shown the true angle of bank, said nothing, although the flight engineer called out "bank".[1] The captain made no response and continued banking farther and farther left. At 18:38, 55 seconds after take-off, Flight 8509's wing dragged along the ground, then the aircraft plunged into the ground at a speed between 250 and 300 knots, in a 40° pitch down and 90° left bank attitude.[1] The aircraft exploded on impact.


Following the plane's departure from Tashkent on the previous flight segment, one of its inertial navigation units (INUs) had partially failed, providing erroneous roll data to the captain's attitude director indicator (ADI or artificial horizon). The first officer's ADI and a backup ADI were correct, a comparator alarm called attention to the discrepancy, and in daylight the erroneous indication was easily identified. The ADI's input selector was switched to the other INU and the correct indications returned.[1]

At Stansted, the engineers who attempted to repair the ADI did not have the correct Fault Isolation Manual available and did not think of replacing the INU. One of them identified and repaired a damaged connecting plug on the ADI. When the ADI responded correctly to its "Test" button, they believed the fault had been corrected, although this button only tested the ADI and not the INU. The ADI's input selector was left in the normal position.[1]

    
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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2013, 12:46:04 PM »
Ah, no, they are not.  Autopilots don't kill anyone anymore than spoons make Rosy O'donnell fat.


Contribute to killing people then. A lot of the "controlled flight into terrain" incidents are because the crew have mismanaged the automated navigation systems allowing the autopilot to fly the aircraft into terrain. It's like a pedantic convention in here.
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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2013, 01:44:29 PM »
Contribute to killing people then. A lot of the "controlled flight into terrain" incidents are because the crew have mismanaged the automated navigation systems allowing the autopilot to fly the aircraft into terrain. It's like a pedantic convention in here.
Apparently, your vast flying experience in both types makes you the "go to" expert on the subject.  I yield to your vast expertise.



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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2013, 02:56:00 PM »
I don't need flying experience in any aircraft to read accident reports.
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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2013, 04:02:18 PM »
The guy driving that dashcam had nerves of steel
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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2013, 04:56:00 PM »
The guy driving that dashcam had nerves of steel

I think he dug his nails into his pet dog.  towards the end of the film you can hear the dog.


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Re: BAGRAM 747 CRASH
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2013, 07:10:09 PM »
Just once in a while airline pilots should do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-u-MCDi7Gk

Great piece of flying.
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