SDKFZ 251 with the 75mm cannon

[Rob52240]

I dont know what it is for sure, but I'm guessing the sloped armor of the -251 allows it to have a wee bit better ability to shrug off MG rounds from aircraft.  I like the -251, the 32mph top speed is what makes it take a back seat to the M3.  That, and that it can't take but more than 4 gv supplies which I I believe is to limit the 28cm rockets.  Obviously, there is no need for that since the 28cm rockets are far too difficult to be successful with (highly vulnerable carrier and VERY difficult to aim effectively).  The -251 would be one of those gv's that would greatly benefit from having the Storch as a spotter. 

Idk about that but I've taken hits from 17 pounders @ <400 yards and survived the first 2 with ricochets.  As for aircraft attack, the slope may not be as advantageous as the extra armor thickness of the 251.

The low angle rockets can kill a plane if a few factors are true at the same time.
Park pointing a tree far enough to hit near the top of the tree.  when a plane flies by to strafe you, fire a rocket just before the plane is closest to the tree and cross your fingers.  Works with tank HE too.

[Denniss]

Do you really believe the M3 is faster than 250/251 in cross country performance ?
Values are road speed.

[SmokinLoon]

Do you really believe the M3 is faster than 250/251 in cross country performance ?
Values are road speed.

I'd actually give the -251 an edge in cross country performance thanks to the larger tracks (lighter footprint), and tighter gear ratio (low RPM performance).  Ultimately, they were not that much different (gross weight, engine hp/ton, cargo capacity, armor, etc).  The biggest difference is in their road speed which is fully exploited in AH.

If HTC were to somehow have 2 top end speeds (road and cross country), the usage between the 2 troop carriers would be much more similar. 

Speaking of which, the next topic could be how to add in a road from the spawn point to the town to the field, and give vehicles with typically more road use than not (jeep, M3, -251) their road speed and when they are not on the road they get their cross country road speed.  There would be two major issues with that: what to do with the tanks and HTC would have to figure out how to get their truck convoys transparent so they wouldn't plow player controlled gv's off the road.  OR.... better yet, add in a road from the gv spawn points to the town and field that is not associated with the convoys.   

[Butcher]

Idk about that but I've taken hits from 17 pounders @ <400 yards and survived the first 2 with ricochets.  As for aircraft attack, the slope may not be as advantageous as the extra armor thickness of the 251.

The low angle rockets can kill a plane if a few factors are true at the same time.
Park pointing a tree far enough to hit near the top of the tree.  when a plane flies by to strafe you, fire a rocket just before the plane is closest to the tree and cross your fingers.  Works with tank HE too.

It depends where you hit a vehicle. Prime example is Surfinn once dove on my LVT-2 with a Yak-T and put a dozen if not all his 37mm's into me.
Each time I turned my tank 15 degrees away from him, to watch the rounds ricochet off me.

same scenario happen to me, I was in a Tiger and had a 800 yard shot on the butt of a T34-85 who was a few degrees off and I fire a round which I thought was his engine - turns out I hit the track and did no damage, one shot to me I died.

[save]

if you get a good hit with a high velocity big tank shell, that tank is not doing any good in some time.
Got rammed by another tank once, < imagine me in a Disney cartoon with canaries flying around my head, sitting halfway in my gunners lap> 

[RngFndr]

+1 to more 251 variants..

251 was always tougher but slower than M3, as it should be..
We used to run 251s with wirby escorts into towns vs Air defense..
Like a Rugby scrumm, ram em in there, right under their noses..
251/troops where the bait, to bring em into the Wirb guns..
Used to love that..