C2's

[Wiley]

Dont laugh on my P47 comment, thats a surprisingly nimble fighter. Great flaps, low stall speed, steady in the post-stall.
Lepape. LilMak. Alfamega. Anything else i should say?

Amount of time it took them to get proficient in it versus what they could do in a spixteen?

I fly the jug a fair bit, but I'm just another dweeb.  I know it's better than most give it credit for, but very few are adept in it turnfighting.  It just struck me as funny.

Wiley.

[Tank-Ace]

Where did i say that it was 410 level?
It can completely dominate a P51/47/190/Jak9U in a stallfight, and not for a little bit.

A P-51 will give some competition to a 109K in a stall fight, but the C2 can 'completely dominate' the P-51, yet is outdone by the K4?

And the Yak-9U is actually pretty maneuverable, I've always felt.

[Debrody]

Amount of time it took them to get proficient in it versus what they could do in a spixteen?

Give them a spixteen and they make just like anything look funny. Youre absolutely right, but they dont "need" a spixteen to successfully outfly (turn, E, or any combination) the very large majority of the MA, what ever the mob brings to take them down

A P-51 will give some competition to a 109K in a stall fight, but the C2 can 'completely dominate' the P-51, yet is outdone by the K4?

Where is it said that the P51 can compete the 109K in a stallfight? It cant. The C205 is somewhere between them.
Youre bringing up some silly stuff again.

[Bruv119]

who is this guy and why does he keep pretending he knows what he is talking about? 

[Tank-Ace]

Where is it said that the P51 can compete the 109K in a stallfight? It cant. The C205 is somewhere between them.
Youre bringing up some silly stuff again.

The P-51 seems to have more effective flaps. Especially at any speed above 195mph since it can actually use them above that speed.

Unless you're talking about just flat turning on the edge of a stall, no verticle component what so ever, the P-51's flaps can come into play. At the bottom of a swoop, when airspeed will be at a relative maximum, the K4 might have flaps raise entirely, and will likely have them open only a notch at most. IIRC, the P-51 can typically have two or three notches down in the same situation.

[coombz]

who is this guy and why does he keep pretending he knows what he is talking about? 

Captain Wikipedia

[Butcher]

Amount of time it took them to get proficient in it versus what they could do in a spixteen?

I fly the jug a fair bit, but I'm just another dweeb.  I know it's better than most give it credit for, but very few are adept in it turnfighting.  It just struck me as funny.

Wiley.

I faught a few people in the D-11, Nomde and few others challenged me to learn it along time ago - I had a ditch with a 190A5 and 109k and won - however I really never picked up on the jug, one thing I just hated teh climb out time, howver once its light it does some wonders below 15k, above 15k it dont matter.

[morfiend]

The P-51 seems to have more effective flaps. Especially at any speed above 195mph since it can actually use them above that speed.

Unless you're talking about just flat turning on the edge of a stall, no verticle component what so ever, the P-51's flaps can come into play. At the bottom of a swoop, when airspeed will be at a relative maximum, the K4 might have flaps raise entirely, and will likely have them open only a notch at most. IIRC, the P-51 can typically have two or three notches down in the same situation.

  If both planes are just above corner speed and the 51 can use flaps but the 109 cant,which plane can turn better??



     

[Debrody]

  If both planes are just above corner speed and the 51 can use flaps but the 109 cant,which plane can turn better??



     

Oh i see what you have just asked there 

Jager, your statements dont make any sense. If you have experienced the problems you have listed, you are doing something seriously wrong.

[bozon]

The P-51 seems to have more effective flaps. Especially at any speed above 195mph since it can actually use them above that speed.

Unless you're talking about just flat turning on the edge of a stall, no verticle component what so ever, the P-51's flaps can come into play. At the bottom of a swoop, when airspeed will be at a relative maximum, the K4 might have flaps raise entirely, and will likely have them open only a notch at most. IIRC, the P-51 can typically have two or three notches down in the same situation.

You give way too much credit to what flaps do. If a pony needs to deploy to the 3rd or more flap position it better get the kill shot in the next 3 seconds or die 3 seconds after that - especially against a K4.

[Butcher]

You give way too much credit to what flaps do. If a pony needs to deploy to the 3rd or more flap position it better get the kill shot in the next 3 seconds or die 3 seconds after that - especially against a K4.

I agree with this, one notch of flaps for a few seconds and if the Pony doesnt raise them he is burning off to much energy to deal with a K4. I use the flaps strictly to get a Lag shot behind and zoom away instantly, same goes for a P47 if I am under 15k.

C205 doesn't out turn a Pony in a flat turn, Nor does either play with a K4 - but three different planes, its Apples to oranges. The K4 doesn't get sluggish when it gets slow, the C205 becomes a Barn when it slows down, the C202 however is extremely nimble when its slow.

[Ack-Ack]

You give way too much credit to what flaps do. If a pony needs to deploy to the 3rd or more flap position it better get the kill shot in the next 3 seconds or die 3 seconds after that - especially against a K4.

Yep.  Bozon nailed it head on.

ack-ack

[R 105]

 While I am no great pilot I do know that any ME109 has better acceleration from a low speed than the P-51 except maybe the E models. The K-4 has the option to extend against a P-51 and come back with E at will. As for the C-202 or C-205s I found if I am trying to use flaps on them I am getting killed and I have had better luck it the C-2s with no flaps but that is just me.

[Debrody]

Must be an extremely poor 109 pilot who has to run from a pony 
I would phrase otherwise, the K4 has the power to (slowly though, but) catch the runstangs.
 

[morfiend]

Oh i see what you have just asked there 

Jager, your statements dont make any sense. If you have experienced the problems you have listed, you are doing something seriously wrong.

   

  I was hoping no one would answer that knows the answer,I want to see what our resident expert has to say about that question.

  As a trainer I'm constantly having to explain to players about this,seems to be a lot of misinformation being given to players and it doesn't help them or the game one bit.