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Offline deSelys

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RL vid of a vulching Dora
« on: May 06, 2013, 03:55:19 AM »
in color!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XNL9F2Urqs


Kill starts around 2.45 for the impatient ones ;)
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2013, 04:16:44 AM »
nice! I liked the split S.. <G>

I thought this fitting..

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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 09:54:10 AM »
Arg!!!! I can't veiw video!!
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 09:58:07 AM »
PRIVATE video? :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2013, 11:41:02 AM »
Hahaha thanks Kappa, that's made our day here.  Face hurts from laughing.

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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2013, 11:54:52 AM »
Private video?
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2013, 12:05:38 PM »
Field marshal song?

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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2013, 02:17:16 PM »
Wasn't private a few hours ago, sorry about that.


Some PETA-like jerks probably complained about the vid. It was shot by a cam on the back of a peregrine falcon. At one moment, the falcon dives and smacks into a duck taking off, killing its prey instantly according to the owner's comments.

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<edit> the falcon's name is Dora, hence the thread title...
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2013, 02:24:30 PM »
I saw that video earlier on a different media outlet and DAMN!!!! That falcon came down and...... WHUMP!!!! no more duck...
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2013, 06:54:59 PM »
Wasn't private a few hours ago, sorry about that.


Some PETA-like jerks probably complained about the vid. It was shot by a cam on the back of a peregrine falcon. At one moment, the falcon dives and smacks into a duck taking off, killing its prey instantly according to the owner's comments.

 :(

<edit> the falcon's name is Dora, hence the thread title...
This may surprise you, but I've never heard of PETA complaining about nature being nature.

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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2013, 07:37:02 PM »
I generally keep my falconry videos private too, so I don't blame the guy. 

I'm not a big fan of sharing them publicly because of the flack they often generate from the anti's.
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2013, 04:00:41 AM »
Here is a working version. More to be found with google via other hosts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oGfrmWdMA

The speed and angle it is diving at are unbelievable.
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2013, 06:10:59 AM »
That's real flying! I once saw a hawk grab a sparrow in mid air just outside my bedroom window. Just came out of nowhere. It was so fast it was hard to take in what happened.

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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2013, 08:21:34 AM »
This may surprise you, but I've never heard of PETA complaining about nature being nature.

PETA is often silly, but ascribing such things to them kinda legitimizes the stuff they actually do as it isn't as silly.

This is why I wrote 'PETA-like'.

And falconry being 'nature' is debatable.
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Re: RL vid of a vulching Dora
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2013, 05:39:15 PM »
This is why I wrote 'PETA-like'.

And falconry being 'nature' is debatable.

As a falconer, the best description of falconry I've come across is "hardcore birdwatching".  Not that I'd "define" it as such, but it really is the best "description" I've heard.

As for it being "nature"?  Maybe, maybe not.  Personally, I consider the human race to be a part of the ecology of the planet.  As such, I see people (and what they do) as a legitimate part of "nature". 

Now, would a raptor pair up with a human?  Probably not as a hunting "partner"... 

However, they do "use" people (and predators, and other large animals and herds of animals) and their propensity to (often accidentally) flush quarry out into the open.  It's not uncommon for raptors to take advantage of that while hunting.  Flying a falcon in "waiting on" style and flushing ducks, grouse, or pheasants under it is about as close to a mimicry of this event as it gets.

Having watched wild redtails hunting squirrels, mice, snakes, pheasants, etc. (while I was unobserved), and having hunted literally hundreds of squirrels with my "wild but trained" redtails I can attest to the fact that there is surprisingly little difference between the "natural" event and falconry.  I could elaborate and give other examples of hunting with falcons and accipiters as well, but it would be redundant for the most part...

It's also not uncommon for raptors to "use" human alterations of the environment either to hunt gathered quarry (such as the bird feeder or altered habitat drawn sparrows, etc., that cpxxx saw captured) or to ambush quarry (such as a redtail sitting on a telephone pole.

Now, is it "natural" for a redtail to hunt from a telephone pole?  Or to hunt mice under that pole that are more-easily accessible due to the placement of that pole and the mowing habits of humans? 

What if the redtail is hunting from a tree that was planted by humans?  Or from a "naturally-occurring" tree that is only an acceptable perch because it borders grasslands that it wouldn't naturally border due to the human division of massive tracts of "redtail-unfriendly" forest into smaller "redtail-ideal" woodlots?

Agricultural practices have opened massive amounts of previously unsuitable habitat for redtails, and provided mile upon mile of ideal hunting habitat for assorted prey (in the form of wide grassy highway borders, complete with perches, and even fences and fast-moving traffic to ensure that they aren't disturbed by people).  Is a redtail hunting along an undisturbed section of highway an example of "nature" in action? 

Is it "natural" for humans to use/exploit/benefit from animals?

Yup...  It's all debatable.
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