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Offline Guppy35

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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2013, 09:27:01 PM »
babalon your k/d was a respectable 3.4 (17 kills, 5 deaths) the problem was only 17 kills. the cutoff i'm using is 40.

debrody, k/d is a great measure though not the only one. My motivation is to ubber-ize the A5. It's a great bird, and flown as designed by kurt tank the best ride in the game. The flight envelope is different than say the Bf-109 series. Certainly the Spits, Japanese planes and other turners. Considering the challenges an honest, clean (no shades, etc) k/d evaluation is worth it.

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PS When are you coming back? Should we do a monthly track on the 109s?

Which guys on the list actually bend em a bit beyond the guy on top.  I know he knows how.  That makes the K/D more impressive to me.  I know changeup tends to get himself in too deep for fun too.  Any of the other guys mix it up in A5s or just up and down in em?
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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2013, 03:35:11 AM »
The A5 is starting to get me out of the A8 more and more...

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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2013, 05:26:48 AM »
Changeup fights, Latrobe stays and fights in every situation, KillinU fights like a lion too. Only had the luck to meet duk190 once, 190 vs 190 match, he wasnt running and gave me a good fight. Im almost sure Boo wouldnt run from an equal match too.
EAce isnt a real fighter type even though he is above the MA average.
nekonabe is a spineless fool, more timid than a 6 y.o. girl.

I dont know the others, i cant judge them. Checking their kills/time would ring a bell though.
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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2013, 09:27:56 AM »
Good questions around what goes into the score. I tend to take my time and work from the top down. I love to 1 v 1 with most birds, getting down to the deck and going vertical. This is why I fly the A5 over the A8 or Dora. I say most birds, trying to turn with Japanese planes is suicidal though I will turn once or twice with any plane just to see what they do. Noobs get stupid pretty fast, a decent stick in an A6M5 is always dangerous. I won't vulch for almost any reason and detest the whole 'ho' thing to no end.

Keep in mind, Kurt Tank didn't design the 190 for turning but slash and burn attacks. The A5 happens to be above average turning and with that awesome roll rate is pretty dangerous in so many different ways. I have a slobbering love affair with this bird.

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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2013, 10:01:22 AM »
Changeup fights, Latrobe stays and fights in every situation, KillinU fights like a lion too. Only had the luck to meet duk190 once, 190 vs 190 match, he wasnt running and gave me a good fight. Im almost sure Boo wouldnt run from an equal match too.
EAce isnt a real fighter type even though he is above the MA average.
nekonabe is a spineless fool, more timid than a 6 y.o. girl.

I dont know the others, i cant judge them. Checking their kills/time would ring a bell though.

how checking Tim dechipher anything?? If looking at kills per hour I'm nit sure that would help.

As I sometimes take the time to get to alt, to reach a good combat speed.
If that's what your referring to.

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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2013, 10:36:19 AM »
A person with high K/D and high K/T probably flies in a crowd ganging and picking cherries. Someone with a high K/D and low K/T probably flies alone and has to spend time finding fights he can win. Someone with low on both, but high in number of kills is prolly a furballer, who'd rather auger then land because it's quicker. I'm usually in the middle category. Each to his own.
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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2013, 10:37:45 AM »
A person with high K/D and high K/T probably flies in a crowd ganging and picking cherries. Someone with a high K/D and low K/T probably flies alone and has to spend time finding fights he can win. Someone with low on both, but high in number of kills is prolly a furballer, who'd rather auger then land because it's quicker. I'm usually in the middle category. Each to his own.

thanks for clarifying that.  Makes sense, idk why I did t see that.
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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2013, 10:54:52 AM »
A person with high K/D and high K/T probably flies in a crowd ganging and picking cherries. Someone with a high K/D and low K/T probably flies alone and has to spend time finding fights he can win. Someone with low on both, but high in number of kills is prolly a furballer, who'd rather auger then land because it's quicker. I'm usually in the middle category. Each to his own.
Pretty much.
I have always had a low K/D (around 2-3) with a relatively high K/T (2500-3000). Most of the time i was flying alone, in the most stupid way you can imagine. Found that very high K/D paired with a low K/T usually belongs to those who wait 20 mind for their pick then run away, just like nekonabe and his squad.
There are some exceptions though, just as my friend, RedBull, he have always had an upper-medicore K/D (4-5) with a very high K/T (3000+). He was always the first to jump into the sea of red - but he had the skills to fight his way out.
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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2013, 11:28:27 AM »
i used to be "fair" in the a5 but now i'm less than noob...can't seem to get anything going in any of the 190s or 109s. hitting a barn door from inside the barn is tough...
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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2013, 11:33:34 AM »
Babalon, Tour 158 took a turn for the worse. 8 kills, 6 deaths. haha

As for k/d....for the most part the 190 is not a furballer. If your base is capped and you are trying to up for a few quick kills you will struggle to make the first turn. Get some alt and work your way down to the deck and it gets fun. In theory by the time the two of you get to the deck you are roughly co-E, if you do it right you have an E advantage.

Normally it takes 10-15 minutes to get to alt and find a fight. In any case, the trends hold well enough. Those that treat the A5 like a cheap $10 Vegas potato get tired of the results.

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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2013, 01:29:20 PM »
I have recently started to fly the 190's (A8/A5).  I have put the A8 on the shelf for the time being and focused on the A5. While I am trying to learn this bird, I purposely put myself in bad situations to see what I can and can't do with the air frame.  I am flying it almost exclusively, and finding it a frustrating, yet rewarding aircraft.  I have a long way to go, but for anyone on the fence about the A5, she is a blast to fight in.  :rock

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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2013, 01:38:36 PM »
Latrobe + A5 = terror .....  frack that guy can turn that thing....  Low and slow he is a demon... I bet he freaked out more than a couple of spits and 84's..

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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2013, 01:53:11 PM »
Latrobe + A5 = terror .....  frack that guy can turn that thing....  Low and slow he is a demon... I bet he freaked out more than a couple of spits and 84's..

THIS is probally the single biggest problem I still have with the A5.  I fail far more than I succeed when I get her that slow.

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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2013, 03:34:39 PM »
THIS is probally the single biggest problem I still have with the A5.  I fail far more than I succeed when I get her that slow.

I came back from a 4 week break. Had troue but kicked as. Don't fight their fight. All I can say is use those flaps
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Re: Tour 159 Fw-190A5 experten
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2013, 03:47:35 PM »
Back in 2006 I was flying with the handle "Madman", and I made a video of a typical successful evening's sortie for me. About 4-5 hours of flying, with several refueling trips back to an airfield, and about 15 minutes of combat in total. For some it may seem very dull, but when you find good even fights is definitively worth it. This was the action of one successful evening sortie in my beloved 109F-4 back in 2006 (I know it's not a 190, but at least it's the 190's stablemate ;)):



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