Tank

[HawkerMKII]

So you guys wanting the previous system back want an arcade game???    

When the new system was put in to place some major upgrades and improvements were instantly noticed by me:  First, the tank commander concept is awesome.  The coaxial and hull MG's are now linked, the driver is "commanded" by the TC (from the TC's position), and there is now no need for HTC to waste hours and hours on modeling the internals of the gv's since the "unbuttoned" TC is the default position.  Also, I'm not sure why people think the manual transmission was better, I find the auto is much preferred.  Instead of hammering the "shift up/shift down" key, the same amount of time is can be devoted to holding down a throttle key when with the same results. It isn't rocket science.  As far as T34's not being able to climb a hill, ever think that may be historically accurate as well?  Ever check the gear ratios on a T34?  There is a reason it can go 35 MPH and have only 3 gears, it is not geared for low end power or torque.  The world is a big place, understand that there may be things going on that you have no understanding of.  

In terms of tank sights, I think HTC went light years in the right direction in giving each tank their HISTORICALLY ACCURATE sights. Kudos to them for doing so.  Giving a T34x the same ranging abilities as a German tank was an insult. Not only did HTC give the Germans their due in terms of the mili-radian sights, they gave the optics a crisp and clear sight picture.  Likewise, they gave all the other countries their due as well.  Each tank had a different main gun, different tank sights, and in the case of the Germans they stood far above the rest of the world with their quality optics.  A T34x should not be able to stand at 2400 yards and trade shot for shot with a Panther, not only in the case of the main gun but more so in the case of sights and optics.

If you    want to play an arcade game I think World of Tanks is still going.  Go check them out.      

Problem is HT copied WOT with WASD. Question to you, did the tanks of WW2 have auto transmissions?, just to make things "HISTORICALLY ACCURATE"

M4....not sure but don't think you need a clutch with auto tranny

[Delirium]

My only complaint is the lack of interior modeling of the tanks with the new model. I liked looking around inside the tank itself.

Not that my opinion matters much since I tank so seldomly.

[SmokinLoon]

Problem is HT copied WOT with WASD. Question to you, did the tanks of WW2 have auto transmissions?, just to make things "HISTORICALLY ACCURATE"

M4....not sure but don't think you need a clutch with auto tranny

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tsk tsk.  Do not join the ranks of the word benders.  My "historically accurate" fish slap to the face dealt directly, as stated, with the sights and optics.   

As far as the manual/auto transmission, what HTC did was essentially remove the shifter and applied the activator to the throttle.  Same thing, less direct input needed and yet there is a higher degree of results with the new system as the tank can now attain a specific mph.  I'm not defending HTC in any case, they don't need me to be a cheerleader, however the WASD thing has been around long before WoT.

[Lusche]

Problem is HT copied WOT with WASD.

WASD is a controlling standard being around for ages, utilized by at least hundreds of games.

[gyrene81]

lol, Hawker, i think Del and Lusche misunderstood what you meant with your wasd statement...

Problem is HT copied WOT with WASD. Question to you, did the tanks of WW2 have auto transmissions?, just to make things "HISTORICALLY ACCURATE"

M4....not sure but don't think you need a clutch with auto tranny

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thing is HT didn't "copy" wot with the keyboard control system. it was always there, only now it's the default, you can still use your stick if you want to take the time to set it up. the elimination of the driver position made things easier for people, if they were to put a few seconds of thought into it. gv's are now more user friendly than they were. now you don't have to jump positions to start and stop the tank. you're no longer out of control in a rolling battle, trying to get into position to fire and slow the tank down so you can steady the sights on a target. it hasn't lowered the number of spawn campers sadly. no, tanks did not have automatic transmissions in ww2, but then they didn't have 1 man crews either. the transmission isn't automatic, the driver is, and the uphill speeds are now more realistic. the fact that tanks can no longer easily climb 45 degrees inclines at 30mph is great, exactly the way it should be.

[NOT]

To be fair, they should remove the zoom feature from aircraft that didnt have the capability in RL. I mean, to be historically accurate and all. I also HATE the new GV sytstem.







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[gyrene81]

what aircraft have a zoom feature?   

[SmokinLoon]

To be fair, they should remove the zoom feature from aircraft that didnt have the capability in RL.

FWIW... I agree completely.  Aircraft shouldn't be able to zoom at all, or at least to the extreme they currently are able to achieve.  Tank commanders at least have binocs to use, fighter pilots had to squint. 

At the most, I say halve the current zoom capability.  It gives pilots an unfair advantage, imo. 

[NOT]

what aircraft have a zoom feature?   

You have the ability to zoom in the sights on all AC in AH, only the perk tanks give you this option. The tank commander didnt aim and shoot the gun, the guy looking through the sight did. Might as well give F3 mode to planes, just to be fair.......







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[Karnak]

You have the ability to zoom in the sights on all AC in AH, only the perk tanks give you this option. The tank commander didnt aim and shoot the gun, the guy looking through the sight did. Might as well give F3 mode to planes, just to be fair.......







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Aircraft don't have zoom in AH.  They can adjust their field of view, but there is no zoom.

[muzik]

You have the ability to zoom in the sights on all AC in AH, only the perk tanks give you this option. The tank commander didnt aim and shoot the gun, the guy looking through the sight did. Might as well give F3 mode to planes, just to be fair.......

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There is no zoom feature for aircraft. The feature you are talking about is a concession to a concession.

A life size view cannot be used on video games on the typical desktop monitors or you would have no situational awareness or peripheral vision. So they shrink your cartoon world to give you more peripheral vision.

The smaller the world, the less detail you have, the gunsight zoom gives you that detail back.

The "zoom" gives you a life size picture at the cost of your peripheral vision. You don't get inhuman eyesight, it is more like what you would see while sitting in a ww2 cockpit looking through a 10" diameter tube.

[Delirium]

lol, Hawker, i think Del and Lusche misunderstood what you meant with your wasd statement...

My post had nothing to do with Hawkers, it was just my opinion between the two versions of tank warfare in AH.

I didn't even mention manual vs automatic or wasd controls as I tank so seldom it doesn't matter to me. It was a comment on pure aesthetics.

[715]

Aircraft don't have zoom in AH.  They can adjust their field of view, but there is no zoom.

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.  There is no functional difference between zoom and field of view.  They are identical (if you decrease the field of view on a fixed width monitor it is the same as increasing the zoom, i.e. making things bigger).  And AH pilots can zoom in quite a bit (a concession to limited pixel resolution of computer screens and a way to give users the high visual acuity of a fighter pilot).  The tank gun sight doesn't make such a concession. 

Here's what I posted in a previous similar thread: I've measured my screen (24" 1920x1080 at automatic FOV setting) and the tank sight is exactly the right magnification (2.5X in a T34/85) when my eyes are 18" from the screen (which is my normal distance).  The commanders zoom setting is also 2.5X.  For planes the default non zoomed view is about 0.4X, i.e. wide angle, the default zoomed level (no [ or ]) is about 0.86X, and the maximum zoom is 2.5X.  So it comes down to justifying why the limitations of a pixelated screen require 2.5X zoom above reality for pilots but don't require any zoom past 1:1 reality (i.e. the 2.5X the gunsight had in reality) for the tanker.

[Karnak]

Depends on the monitor's size.  On a 17" or 19" screen, as I recall, the "zoom" only gets you to 1:1 if you were sitting in the Spitfire or what have you.

I doubt any computer screen would be large enough to match the magnification the tank sights have in AH.  Maybe if I hooked my PC up to my 50" TV it would, but certainly not on my 19" screen.

[muzik]

In AH, I look at an aircraft 200 yards out with my gunsight at full zoom and I see nearly the same thing I would see if I were in the same real life situation. Little or no difference in relative size. No one gets super human sight out of the deal.

The only advantages come from higher end hardware and an extremely negligible advantage with a bigger screen.