Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162

[GScholz]

And that is just about the limit of their insight into these enemy machines. They know nothing of how differences in pilot quality, tactical doctrine, rules of engagement and a myriad of other variables affected the outcome of their battles. Most of the German interceptors shot down by the USAAF in 1944 didn't even try to fight, because they were ordered not to. This also had the psychological impact of making the USAAF pilots feel superior and the Luftwaffe pilots felt inferior.

Just ask yourself why did the Allies extensively test Axis aircraft (and vice versa) when they got their hands on them? Well the obvious answer is that's what they had to do to learn more about them.

[GScholz]

During the war in Korea the USAF shot down hundreds of MiG-15s, but still they went as far as bombing North Korea with leaflets offering a $100,000 to any pilot who would defect with his MiG. How stupid were they! They should just have asked one of their own Sabre aces for free!

[Guppy35]

Read this

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/interview-captain-eric-brown-7136-2.html

Appears I am not the only one with a different opinion.

The problem here though is those guys are ones with an agenda and not the experience.  Brown was doing his job and was one of the best at it.  I really think you are barking up the wrong tree on this one Butcher.

[J.A.W.]

Eric Brown is a cocky little Navy-flier Scotsman.
True, he test flew many aircraft, & gives valuable insights into Luftwaffe aircraft.
However, he does show bias openly.. some plainly due to being physically small..
He did rate the He 162 though, & points out that.. of all the 1st gen` jets, the
Heinkel didn't suffer the high speed stability issues like the ''snaking'' that
plagued the Meteor..

2nd TAF/RAF histories contain combat reports of HE 162 vs Tempests, with
kills to the account of each type.

Of course it was one of the designated operational duties of the Tempest
in the tactical air-superiority role.. to take out the jets & they did score on
every type flying..

Most of the 1st gen` jets, while fast, had significant combat performance issues
by comparison to the well-sorted recip` fighters of the final generation.

[Ack-Ack]

Easy - ask every F4F pilot how they shot down Zeros, how many of them flew Zeros? None. Before the Zero was ever test flown in the united states tactics were already developed to beat the Zero, how could that be Crystal Ball? Nope its pilots like John Thach who started picking apart the Zero and eventually
the invisibility armor started falling off.

The tactics used to fight the Zero during the early part of the war came mostly from experience of other pilots that encountered and engaged the Zero in combat.  Wildcat pilots didn't instinctively know to fight a Zeke, they gained this knowledge because of others before them learned the hardway not to turn with Zekes.

We were fortunate to have a crashed zero, however before they even tested that aircraft - veteran pilots were already reporting limitations of the zero, especially in dives - how do you think all those P-38s were shooting them down? Or Corsairs? None of those pilots flew Zeros.....

As I mentioned already, these pilots already had the experience of those before them that helped them in fighting against the Zeke.

ack-ack

[MiloMorai]

JAW just got the PNG from another board and got a warning on Barbi's board.

Behave yourself here JAW. The Skuzz doesn't put up with any nonsense.

[J.A.W.]

Thanks for the welcome..& heads-up..

Hey..guess what.. 'sink or swim' in a virtual scene? so be it..

If its more about B.S. - than reasoned & factual reality-based data-sharing - then.. too bad.. 

[gyrene81]

something tells me we have a tempest fan boi that has found an outlet for some anectdotal stuff he found in a book or two...even managed to dig up and bump a discussion from 1999 

[J.A.W.]

Funny, & what's with all the -ve waves man..since the deal is 'bout what was goin'down.. 7 decades ago..

Isn't there is some useful actual information to post?

Such as a quote from a flight test, official report or something?

"The Meteor III has an instability in yaw - 'snaking' - which makes it unsuitable as a
gun platform at operational speed."