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Offline Zacherof

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Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« on: May 25, 2013, 06:27:07 PM »
I'm thinking 162 on this one  :airplane:
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2013, 07:38:58 PM »
I'm thinking the guys from JG1 who did their best to get the thing operational would disagree with you considering they never officially shot down anything. (There is suggestion that 1 Allied bird was shot down but it was not confirmed).  The 12 pilots who died in accidents in that short time probably would have preferred 262s if not 109s or 190s.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2013, 07:51:11 PM »
I don't think the 162s provided much encouragement, considering the troubles Corky mentioned and the fact that visibility to the rear was absolutely horrid.

Another reason was the lack of reliability of the engines, at least with the 262 they could still get home on one engine.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2013, 08:15:23 PM »
I've also read that a spit was shot down(described the 162 to his interogators)
also read that the 162 had numerous kills, tho I question that validy of that source.

What I do know that a us test pilot flew it for fun after all test
were concluded. Something brown.

I'll look for the site on the 162.

An all jets had reliabilty issues at this point. A huge factor on the delay of the 262 besides hitlers love for
bombers.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2013, 08:25:57 PM »
Define 'numerous.' :D

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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2013, 08:53:45 PM »
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2013, 08:53:53 PM »
Yea but think one in every garage.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2013, 08:57:46 PM »
If I recall correctly Galland didnt want the 162. The high command was up his because they thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. On the other hand he approved of the 262.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2013, 09:04:36 PM »
If I recall correctly Galland didnt want the 162. The high command was up his because they thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. On the other hand he approved of the 262.
galland is an interesting character.
I'm surprised he wasn't shot for shooting his mouth when he did.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2013, 10:42:47 PM »
490? Dang kinda slow. Faster than the meteor, slower than the 262.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2013, 11:11:32 PM »
I've also read that a spit was shot down(described the 162 to his interogators)
also read that the 162 had numerous kills, tho I question that validy of that source.

What I do know that a us test pilot flew it for fun after all test
were concluded. Something brown.

I'll look for the site on the 162.

An all jets had reliabilty issues at this point. A huge factor on the delay of the 262 besides hitlers love for
bombers.

     Eric Brown was English, not American.

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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2013, 11:21:57 PM »
490? Dang kinda slow. Faster than the meteor, slower than the 262.

Poor workmanship, 490 is actually being gentle, the He 162 was not ordered over 311mph due to poor construction since March 1945. Any speeds higher, would result in a massive failure of the air frame and the loss of an aircraft. In another words -  Slave Labor and time consuming construction, in another words - you build as many as we say or you eat a bullet - many of the aircrafts were built without any testing or standards.

Its bad enough the Tiger II we have in aces high is a perfect tank, In reality a handful were - however the majority were plagued with poor craftmanship and were no where near the quality standards early german equipment were being tested on.

The HE-162 was far worse - the war was "lost" - I./JG-1 was the operational unit of the He-162, however they spent more time moving then actually flying.

They were ordered NOT to engage in combat, however on its first operational sortie (attacking an allied airfield) the only HE-162 was shot down by AAA.

The HE-162 served in combat, and in squadron strength, in my opinion you can't compare it to the Me-262 - poor construction, poor pilots - lack of fuel are just examples of trying to compare apples to oranges. Think of the Me-163 we have in aces high, more 163s were lost sitting on the runway then actually in combat.

There is no comparison to the Meteor, it never flew against an enemy aircraft - one can only debate on what "would" of happen, rather then what did.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2013, 11:31:05 PM »
     Eric Brown was English, not American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Brown_%28pilot%29

Eric brown might be British and flew almost 500 different aircrafts, he's been debated as being Bias on many occasions. I honestly don't use him as a source for any information just because there is to many open questions about anything he says.
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Re: Meteor mkIII vs. Me262 vs. He162
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2013, 01:25:00 AM »
     Eric Brown was English, not American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Brown_%28pilot%29
I forgot to mention the American test pilot  :bhead
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