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La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« on: May 27, 2013, 12:30:07 PM »
Being done to the best of my ability, still haven't been able to find much information on the skin :headscratch:. I just really like the way it looks, so I decided to give it a go.  :rolleyes:



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« Last Edit: May 27, 2013, 12:34:48 PM by GhostCDB »
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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2013, 12:54:22 PM »
I like it, and I don't even like LA's!  :aok
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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2013, 12:55:12 PM »
Looking good!
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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2013, 01:06:12 PM »
General consensus with the Russians that this is a post war paint scheme.




 

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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 01:09:06 PM »
The colour tone (IMO) was not a true rendereing in the osprey picture.

Page 56 of Pilawskii's book shows this rendering using AMT-12 which was the darker of the two standard colours in use. The spinner was also in this colour.

This is the same colour as the darker colour used on Greebo's La5FN skins and the La7 done by myself using Greebo's pallet.

AMT-12 is dark-grey (blue-grey) Pantone 431.

Although in many lights it seems to take on a slight olive tint.

Be very wary of over emphasising the mid wing bead line. In actual fact it was hardly visible as any thing more than a minor bump line as all this area was filled and varnished to a smooth finish.

There is no filler point or circular access plate in the gear hinge cover plate (at the end of the bead line) the only thing that came thru this plate was a gear up/down indicator pin (red)
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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2013, 01:19:10 PM »

The spinner was also in this colour.



The Russians seem to think that the spinner was red due to the more glossy appearance than the rest of the aircraft. They also don't seem to be able to come up with a unit this aircraft belonged to.

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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2013, 02:08:54 PM »
The Russians seem to think that the spinner was red due to the more glossy appearance than the rest of the aircraft. They also don't seem to be able to come up with a unit this aircraft belonged to.

Its possible the spinner could have been repainted. The mono scheme (in either lighter or darker colours was more common in Winter-Spring of 45) post war the two colours returned but in a different pattern to before.

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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2013, 02:15:09 PM »
The colour tone (IMO) was not a true rendereing in the osprey picture.

Page 56 of Pilawskii's book shows this rendering using AMT-12 which was the darker of the two standard colours in use. The spinner was also in this colour.

This is the same colour as the darker colour used on Greebo's La5FN skins and the La7 done by myself using Greebo's pallet.

AMT-12 is dark-grey (blue-grey) Pantone 431.

Although in many lights it seems to take on a slight olive tint.

Be very wary of over emphasising the mid wing bead line. In actual fact it was hardly visible as any thing more than a minor bump line as all this area was filled and varnished to a smooth finish.

There is no filler point or circular access plate in the gear hinge cover plate (at the end of the bead line) the only thing that came thru this plate was a gear up/down indicator pin (red)


The color looks a lot different in Photoshop CS6 , I don't know if it is because of the lighting in the game or what. So maybe I should maybe make the color more dull?
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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2013, 04:40:42 PM »
Ghost asked me in-game for some advice on weathering this skin.

The first thing I think you need to do is age the paint a bit. There's a couple of ways you can do this, I usually use both on my skins.

The first technique uses something called a noise effect. To use this I make a copy of my base paint layer and name it "noise effect". Then I change the colour of this layer to a mid grey like 128/128/128. In Paint Shop Pro the noise effect is reached through the menus via Adjust, then Add/Remove Noise, then Add Noise. I set the dots to random and 50% then click OK. You'll have to figure out exactly how to reach this effect if you use Photoshop or Gimp or whatever. What the noise effect does is create loads of little brightly coloured random dots all over your grey layer. Now reduce the opacity of this layer until you can barely see it, say 2%-4% opacity. The paint will now have a slightly worn look to it.

The second way I do this uses the airbrush tool. Create a new layer, call it something like "dirt effect". Bring up the airbrush tool and set it up as follows. Brush size as big as it will go, brush shape square, hardness at 100%, density 5%-10% and opacity 100%. Select a dirty shade of brown and airbrush a scattering of dots over the whole of the painted areas of the skin. Change the colour to a lighter or darker shade of brown and do it again, repeat again with a 3rd shade. Now gaussian blur the whole layer, a 1 or 2 pixel blur is all that is needed. Again adjust the layer's opacity until you can just see the effect.

The exhaust stains on the side of the fuselage look like they should be a lot longer to me. They should start dark at the exhausts and gradually fade as they move back past the canopy, becoming barely visible at the tail. The also tend to spread out a bit as you move back. You should do this with the airbrush tool again. Set it to say 30 pixels wide, round brush, 50% hardness, 60% density and 5% opacity. Then build up the stain in multiple strokes, more at the front, fewer at the rear and towards the edges.

BTW your screenshots don't show enough detail to be useful, the plane is less than 1/3rd the width of the shot and the rest is scenery. When taking screenshots offline, use the "Z" key to narrow the field of view and then the left bracket key "[" to zoom in closer to your plane. Once you have taken your shots, open them in your editor and crop them so you don't have so much wasted space around the edge.

The artist who did the profile has heavily paint chipped the nose of the aircraft, but there is little or no paint chipping visible in the photo. This makes it more likely that this is a post-war plane but also illustrates why I hate using profiles as a primary source for a skin. You can also see in the photo what I mean about the exhaust stain, look how the "06" is discoloured by it more in the middle than the top and bottom.

The shade I use for Soviet dark grey (AMT 12) on my skins is RGB 56/76/70.
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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2013, 07:34:52 PM »
More After Weathering Attempt :

This is how it shows up in Photoshop







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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2013, 04:51:29 AM »
The screenshot is much better and the dirt effects are good. A couple of things you might want to look at:

The red stars look like they might be above the exhaust stains in the layer order and possibly the other weathering effects too.

Maybe continue the exhaust stain a little onto the horizontal tailplane. Not too much, just a hint of staining on the root.

I'd have assumed the flaps on the La-7 were metal skinned rather than fabric. That's my recollection from the La-5FN skins I did, but that was a few years ago.

The panel lines for the metal plates on the side of the fuselage look a bit on the heavy side, maybe tone down the opacity a bit.

The lighter areas to make the hatches stand out is a nice touch, but it looks a bit overdone to my eyes.

WW2 engines tended to leak oil all the time. Some oil drips and staining running down the underside of the fuselage would look good. Again, this should start heavy and fade as you move rearwards.


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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2013, 10:08:07 AM »
Minor adjustments ( A Few Screenies with Bump Map Enabled)


WiP La7 'Yellow 06' 3_2


WiP La7 'Yellow 06' 3_5


WiP La7 'Yellow 06' 3_1

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Re: La-7 "Yellow 06" Baltic Front (W I P)
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2013, 11:49:52 AM »
I have some pictures at home i took of an La7 at Kebly museum Prague.  I will post some of them later this week. The bead lines are far less visible than the re toning above would suggest.
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