BATTLE OF THE CORAL SEA MAY SCORES

[Nefarious]

remember the "off week event" thread?

 how about we run this for a single frame. everyone's on opposite sides. same exact set as frame 3. have at it.

That's all you, Hero. I'll be the bouncer, you setup the arena. 

[Arlo]

[CAP1]

That's all you, Hero. I'll be the bouncer, you setup the arena. 

 uumm.....i don't have the skillz to set it up.......

[Shifty]

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For crying out loud Arlo center the Hinomaru. Friggin Yankee Air Pirates..

[Arlo]

For crying out loud Arlo center the Hinomaru. Friggin Yankee Air Pirates..

Well, I only got one good eye, yaknow.  

[Shifty]

True, I forgot. 

[captain1ma]

uumm.....i don't have the skillz to set it up.......

its easy, go into the custom arena an set up the same thing. if you can do it in there, you can do it in the SEA. you in the big league now!!   

[Shifty]

And all the FSO Allied pilots know better than to try Angles Tactics against a Zero or Oscar.

Beans in a 1v1 you're correct, historically everyone in the sim is too savvy to make the mistakes of early war Allied pilots against the Zeke. However in a squad vs squad engagement like you find in the AHII FSO, the biggest mistake a A6M2 squadron leader can do is send his guys to the deck to brawl with F4Fs. Take an equal number of F4Fs vs an equal number of Zekes in a classic furball.. The firepower and ruggedness of the F4Fs will quickly win out over the fragile airframes and modest firepower of the A6M2s on the deck twisting and turning. The F4Fs have a clear advantage with a sky full of snapshot opportunity's. Too many times flying in both F4Fs and A6M2s I have seen squads make this mistake. Pilots flying the A6M2 against the F4F should treat the fight as they would if they were flying the BF-109E against the Spit MK I. Better yet Luftwaffe expertain should use the same tactics when flying the Zeke against the F4F as they would if they were flying the Emil against the F4F. Vertical maneuvers in the A6M2 work much better against the F4F than just trying out turn them. My next comment is not meant as a slight or an insult to anybody or anybody's opinion on early war PTOs. If anything it is recognition of the way some Luftwaffe guys have mastered their aircraft. When flying the A6M2 take as much pride in what you can achieve in it as you would an Emil or Franz. Fly with as much tactical discipline as you would an Emil or a Franz. If you do this she wont disappoint you. The A6M2/F4F is the PTO version of the 109E/Spit1.

The attack aircraft are a different story and this is where CMs can make adjustments to counter the fact that we're missing 1942 era USN Attack planes. I would remind everyone though that at least two Allied CVs were sunk by B5Ns in this setup. It happened because both squadron Commanders Pand, and Hightone took the attitude that no matter what their squadron would manage to get through and get warheads on the target. As for me I hate flying bombers of any kind, but the Torpedo attack I was involved in during Frame-2 was one of the most fun and intense FSO missions I ever been a part of.

 

[Stampf]

As always, well thought out, presented and offered, Shifty.

You know me, Shifty...I wouldn't complain if we had paper airplanes assigned but...

The A6M2/F4F is the PTO version of the 109E/Spit1

I hope you would agree that...the Emil is more rugged than the A6M2, and the F4F is more rugged than the Spit1.

So what you end up with is a less rugged fighter against a more rugged fighter.  True, tactics are similar when fighting the above match up, however, when one puts a burst of 20 mil into the wing of a spit...the spit goes down.  The same on a wildcat, and the Grumman is likely to just fly off.

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[Shifty]

I hope you would agree that...the Emil is more rugged than the A6M2, and the F4F is more rugged than the Spit1.

So what you end up with is a less rugged fighter against a more rugged fighter.  True, tactics are similar when fighting the above match up, however, when one puts a burst of 20 mil into the wing of a spit...the spit goes down.  The same on a wildcat, and the Grumman is likely to just fly off.

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Oh no doubt on the ruggedness of the F4F I never meant to down play it. My comment of "The A6M2/F4F is the PTO version of the 109E/Spit1" is mainly refering to it as the classic or iconic matchup.
Any of the four aircraft flown to their strengths during an FSO battle can win the day.  

[WxMan]

but they came awful dam close, didn't they? 

Again the IJN upped 105 Zekes to the 70 they were alloted in frame 2. Frame 2 scores could of been closer to frame 1 than 3.

[Arlo]

This for tonight?

[Arlo]

Again the IJN upped 105 Zekes to the 70 they were alloted in frame 2. Frame 2 scores could of been closer to frame 1 than 3.

 

[pops57]

 Good points made here. 

Well Cap, I only partially agree. Yes, the adjustment you made to the number of F4Fs did help, but the Axis CiC constantly adapted tactics over the event. In frame one, the axis sent an large majority of aircraft on the attack, and paid dearly. Frame two, was a more balanced approach, neither attack or defense was particularly effective. In frame three, KN sent the minimum on the attack, stacking the defense with the hope that it would be enough to keep the ships afloat. Despite a numerical superiority, the allies sunk both carriers, simply plowing through the defense. The axis was successful in sinking the Lexington only because a few torpedo planes snuck through the Allies defense. So, now we're back to the issue of the comparative balance of axis vs. allies attack planes and the gross advantage of substituting the TBM-3 for the TBD. In short, the allies need only throw their attackers at the carriers in order to sink them, whereas the axis must be extremely lucky to even be in position to strike the carriers.    

[viking73]

PM received. Still don't know why you're complaining about an event you weren't in.

Oh well.  

Very simple. He's the CO of the squad and that his job whether in or not. It's called leadership and responsibility.

and most importantly...your men love you.   

HEY!.... don't ask, don't tell. 

You're the kommander of 2012's top killing squad in FSO.  KN has an excellent FSO record

Thank You. That's a lot coming from III./JG11, a double digit kill squad always.