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Offline muzik

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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2013, 02:22:52 PM »
lol, you should go find some real photos...better yet, try some real videos.



















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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2013, 02:48:43 PM »
lol, again nice try...you really should watch the videos in those links. the only valid pics you posted are the 8 inch firing at dusk and the 88s firing at night. when we get night time in ah, then you should see some visible muzzle flash, otherwise, in broad daylight it's not like to still captures.

m777 155mm howitzer in daylight, combat load. live ammo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfN878fztbU

another one, close up on the muzzle at 44 seconds in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA5InA8YNIA

old m114 155mm towed howitzer in daylight...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yJSbuS2wdY


now, if you like a bright flash...the m109a6 155mm sp howitzer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA5InA8YNIA

the ole m60a3 had some flash...and some really nice muzzle blast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQzI8-DTj64

notice the differences yet?
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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2013, 03:07:45 PM »
lol, again nice try...you really should watch the videos in those links. the only valid pics you posted are the 8 inch firing at dusk and the 88s firing at night. when we get night time in ah, then you should see some visible muzzle flash, otherwise, in broad daylight it's not like to still captures.

I watched them the first time. Are you suggesting any of those pics are fake?

I'm cant say for sure why there is no flash in those clips other than this type of thing requires quality high speed photography by my guess.

I do know there is no way there is no flash of flames coming out of those guns. There always has been and always will be with gun powders.

What is one of the first things you look for when trying to locate an enemy fire position?

Ah fighters have a muzzle flash though perhaps a little off. But even firing into the wind at 300+ mph, ww2 fighters appear to have flash from what I've seen.
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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2013, 03:22:35 PM »
I watched them the first time. Are you suggesting any of those pics are fake?
not in the least. what i'm suggesting is what can be seen in a still shot from a camera is different than what can be seen with the eyeball, especially in daylight. i've seen first hand 105mm, 155mm, 175mm and 8 inch howitzers, not to mention the m60a3 mbt, during live fire. the 175mm and 8 inch produce a bright flash, even with a suppressor in place.


I'm cant say for sure why there is no flash in those clips other than this type of thing requires quality high speed photography by my guess.

I do know there is no way there is no flash of flames coming out of those guns. There always has been and always will be with gun powders.
it's a matter of visible light. from a distance, with the naked eye, the muzzle flash isn't bright enough to really notice. if those clips were taken in low light conditions you would see more flash, like what your still pics show.



What is one of the first things you look for when trying to locate an enemy fire position?

Ah fighters have a muzzle flash though perhaps a little off. But even firing into the wind at 300+ mph, ww2 fighters appear to have flash from what I've seen.
i look for signs of muzzle blast. there are situations where even that isn't easily visible, stiff wind, heavily wooded terrain, thick grass, wet rainy weather, snow.
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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2013, 03:56:37 PM »
I'm not debating it's harder to see flash during the day, but not impossible. I've read lots of accounts of pilots describing seeing muzzle flashes on the ground and from other aircraft firing at them, in broad daylight.

High rates of fire tend to draw more attention to muzzle flash. You can't say those flashes weren't there before, but when you fire a single round it's hardly noticeable.

From what I can tell, it also depends on the background. If someone is firing a small arm from a tree line, you should see some muzzle flash against the backdrop of shade and darker colors. Even looking through pics on the internet, you see less pronounced flash in light colored surroundings.

I'll agree that a smoke discharge would be most realistic, but it should also depend on the color of surroundings. If the gun is hiding in trees there should be a flash on surrounding shrubs.
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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2013, 04:41:53 PM »
Perhaps a thread related to muzzle flash as currently modelled on the 88mm and 17lber currently in game would be appropriate?
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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2013, 06:08:45 PM »
it wouldn't be so much the flash that would give it way but more so the Huge plume of smoke coming out of the barrel and in AH if you were lucky you might see the muzzle flash as well

I have a Thompson Contender Marksman Pistol that shoots .223 Remington shells the barrel is roughly 8 inches long and when it goes off you can clearly see the Muzzle flash in brod daylight
so the same might be said for the short barrel artillery if we get any
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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2013, 07:44:36 PM »
Perhaps a thread related to muzzle flash as currently modelled on the 88mm and 17lber currently in game would be appropriate?
it's there, but for the sake of frame rates people tend to disable weapon effects. the flash on the 88s appears to be about the same as what is shown on the pic of the 155s that Muzik posted.
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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2013, 09:02:12 PM »
Perhaps a thread related to muzzle flash as currently modelled on the 88mm and 17lber currently in game would be appropriate?

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Re: Truck and towed gun combo using drone coding
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2013, 07:39:01 PM »

Paint me red, I never saw this in game before. Maybe I've been playing with low end systems and no gun effects for too long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DhxgLkz4Ys

These weren't edited It doesn't seem. Anyone know what these look like from the air?
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