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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2013, 09:34:19 PM »
I really don't see the point of adding planes that weren't competitive with the I-16 just to represent a country.  Representing a country just to say that it is represented and then to have the airplane never flown seems silly.
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2013, 09:35:01 PM »
I thought 14 was a pretty high number to recommend. I see that as 2-3 years of work for HTC.
Pulling up Wiki and adding every other plane found that ever flew during WWII makes trying
to develop a short term addition list quite impractical. It would look something like:

Ambrosini SAI.207    1942     Italy
   
Ansaldo A.120    1925     Italy    Italy, Lithuania

Arsenal VG-33    1940     France
   
Avia B-135    1941     Czechoslovakia    Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria

Bell P-63 Kingcobra    1942     United States    U.S., USSR

Bloch MB.151/MB.152/MB.155    1940     France    France, Greece, Romania

Boeing P-26 Peashooter    1933     United States    U.S., China, Philippines

Breda Ba.27    1933     Italy    China

CAC Boomerang[3]    1943     Australia    

Caudron C.714    1940     France    France, Finland, Poland

Curtiss P-36 Hawk/Mohawk    1938     United States    U.S., Brazil, Finland, France, Netherlands, Norway, Thailand, UK

Curtiss-Wright CW-21 Demon    1939     United States    China, Netherlands

Dewoitine D.500/D.510    1935     France    France, China

Dewoitine D.520    1940     France    France, Bulgaria, Italy

Fiat G.50    1938     Italy    Italy, Finland, Croatia

Fiat G.55    1943     Italy  
    
Fokker D.XXI    1936     Netherlands    Netherlands, Denmark, Finland

Grumman F8F Bearcat[4]    1945     United States

Heinkel He 112    1937     Germany    Germany, Hungary, Romania

IAR 80    1942     Romania    

Ikarus IK-2 parasol monoplane    1935     Yugoslavia    Yugoslavia, Croatia

Kawasaki Ki-100    1945     Japan
   
Koolhoven F.K.58    1940     Netherlands    Netherlands, France

Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Gudkov LaGG-1    1940     Soviet Union
   
Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Gudkov LaGG-3    1941     Soviet Union    USSR, Finland

Loire 46 parasol monoplane    1936     France
    
Macchi C.200    1939     Italy
    
MÁVAG Héja    1941     Hungary
    
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-1    1940     Soviet Union
    
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3    1941     Soviet Union
    
Mitsubishi A5M[5]    1936     Japan
    
Morane-Saulnier M.S.406    1939     France    France, Croatia, Finland, Italy, Poland

Nakajima A6M2-N floatplane fighter    1942     Japan
    
Nakajima Ki-27    1937     Japan    Japan, Manchukuo, Thailand

Nakajima Ki-43    1941     Japan    Japan, Manchukuo, Thailand

North American P-64[6]    1940     United States
   
PZL P.7 parasol monoplane    1933     Poland
   
PZL P.11 parasol monoplane    1934     Poland    Poland, Romania

PZL P.24 parasol monoplane    1936     Poland    Poland, Bulgaria, Greece, Romania

Reggiane Re.2000    1940     Italy    Italy, Hungary

Reggiane Re.2001    1941     Italy
   
Reggiane Re.2005    1943     Italy
   
Republic P-43 Lancer    1941     United States    U.S., Australia, China

Rogožarski IK-3    1940     Yugoslavia
   
Seversky P-35/J 9    1937     United States    Sweden

VL Myrsky    1943     Finland
   
Vultee P-66 Vanguard    1941     United States    U.S., China

Yakovlev Yak-1    1940     Soviet Union    USSR, France

Yakovlev Yak-3    1944     Soviet Union    USSR, France

Yakovlev Yak-7/Yak-7B    1942     Soviet Union    USSR, France

(Then the heavies)

Bell YFM-1 Airacuda[2] flying cruiser    1940     United States
    
Blackburn Roc turret fighter    1939     United Kingdom
    
Blackburn Skua fighter/dive bomber    1938     United Kingdom
    
Boulton Paul Defiant turret fighter    1939     United Kingdom    UK, Canada

Bristol Beaufighter    1940     United Kingdom    UK, Australia, Canada, U.S.

Bristol Blenheim night fighter    1937     United Kingdom
    
Dornier Do 215 night fighter    1939     Germany
    
Dornier Do 217 night fighter    1941     Germany
    
Dornier Do 335    1944     Germany
    
Douglas P-70/Havoc night fighter    1941     United States    U.S., UK

Fairey Firefly fleet fighter/dive bomber    1941     United Kingdom
    
Fairey Fulmar fleet fighter    1940     United Kingdom
    
Fokker G.I    1939     Netherlands
    
Grumman F7F Tigercat night fighter    1944     United States
    
Heinkel He 219 night fighter    1943     Germany
    
IMAM Ro.57    1943     Italy
    
Junkers Ju 388 night fighter    1944     Germany
    
Kawasaki Ki-45 night fighter    1942     Japan
    
Kawasaki Ki-102 twin engine fighter    1945     Japan
    
Messerschmitt Me 210    1943     Germany    Germany, Hungary

Mitsubishi Ki-109 bomber interceptor    1945     Japan
    
Nakajima J1N night fighter/interceptor    1942     Japan
    
Northrop P-61 Black Widow night fighter    1944     United States
    
Petlyakov Pe-3    1941     Soviet Union    USSR, Finland

Potez 630    1938     France    France, Greece, Romania

Westland Welkin high altitude interceptor[7]    1944     United Kingdom
    
Westland Whirlwind    1940     United Kingdom    

~~~~~~~~~~~And that's just mono-wing fighters.  :)

You missed at least 2   :lol Hs-129  Ikarus IK-3  :aok
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Okay..Add 2 Country's at once, Australia and France next plane update Add ...CAC Boomerang and the Dewoitine D.520

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2013, 09:38:01 PM »
I really don't see the point of adding planes that weren't competitive with the I-16 just to represent a country.  Representing a country just to say that it is represented and then to have the airplane never flown seems silly.

 That would not be the case  with the French

Fought hard, squadron's strength, many kills, own planes, one of the 1st in the war.
Okay..Add 2 Country's at once, Australia and France next plane update Add ...CAC Boomerang and the Dewoitine D.520

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2013, 09:47:24 PM »
While I agree that it would be nice to have every plane that was in WWII in AH, that's just not possible. HTC is great company, and I enjoy their product as a customer but they are a small company. As with any business I think they would have to look at an ROI.  If (and I'm just throwing out a ballpark extremely rough estimate here) HTC has roughly 100-200 man hours in a plane, if that plane sits in a hanger and only counts as .2% of the total war effort it might not make sense to add that plane into the set as the amount of hours to make verse population use is low or non existent.  I'm not saying its wrong to want or we shouldn't have these aircraft, but IMO I'd rather send HTC my $14.95 a mo to add planes that will be used throughout all theaters of AH (Not just the MA or SEC).  

A matrix I found on country production of aircraft (source: http://www.taphilo.com/history/WWII/Production-Figures-WWII.shtml )

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2013, 10:17:12 PM »
I look at those totals and just kind of shake my head at the nations like Holland that had 20 of this fighter and 10 of that fighter as an air force.  The USA, USSR, UK, Germany and Japan were playing in a completely different league than the other nations.  France could have played if it hadn't been knocked out so early.  Italy tried to play, but couldn't.

It just seems like those little air forces were a waste of money.  What good are they going to do for you if Japan or the UK come for you?
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2013, 10:36:05 PM »
Its pretty amazing when you look at the numbers, and I think of it like this.  Those were mostly hand built planes, no robots, or CNC machines, real people.



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FW190-A3



Though the debate of the necessity of this model is ongoing, the ease of adding it to the
roster would come from the airframe modeling already being present.

The Fw 190 A-3 was equipped with the BMW 801 D-2 engine, which increased power to 1,700 PS (1,677 hp, 1,250 kW) at takeoff by improving the supercharger and raising the compression ratio. Because of these changes, the A-3 model required a higher octane fuel—100 (C3) versus 87 (B4).[26] The A-3 retained the same weaponry as the A-2.[31] The A-3 also introduced the Umrüst-Bausätze factory conversion sets. The Fw 190 A-3/U1 and U2 were single experimental Fw 190s: U1 (W.Nr 130270) was the first 190 to have the engine mount extended by 15 cm (6 in), which would be standardized on the later production A-5 model. The U2 (W.Nr 130386) had RZ 65 73 mm (2.87 in) rocket launcher racks under the wings with three rockets per wing. There were also a small number of U7 aircraft tested as high-altitude fighters armed with only two 20 mm MG 151 cannon, but with reduced overall weight.[32]

The Fw 190 A-3/U3 was the first of the Jabo (Jagdbomber), using an ETC-501 centre-line bomb rack able to carry up to 500 kg (1,100 lb) of bombs or, with horizontal stabilising bars, one 300 L (80 US gal) drop tank. The U3 retained the fuselage-mounted 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 17s and the wing-mounted 20 mm MG 151 cannon, with the outer MG FF being removed.[32] [N 3]

The Fw 190 A-3/U4 was a reconnaissance version with two RB 12.5 cameras in the rear fuselage and a EK 16 gun camera or a Robot II miniature camera in the leading edge of the port wing root. Armament was similar to the U3, however, and the ETC 501 was usually fitted with a 300 L (80 US gal) drop tank.[32] See A-2 for production numbers.[33]

In autumn 1942, a political decision diverted 72 new aircraft to Turkey in an effort to keep that country friendly to the Axis powers. These were designated Fw 190 A-3a (a=ausländisch (foreign), designation for export models) and delivered between October 1942 and March 1943. The Turkish aircraft had the same armament as the A-1: four 7.92 mm (.312 in) synchronized MG 17 machine guns and two 20 mm MG FF cannon. There was no FuG 25 IFF device in the radio equipment.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190

Yak-3



As above, the airframe work is already done.

Operational history

Lighter and smaller than Yak-9 but powered by the same engine, the Yak-3 was a forgiving, easy-to-handle aircraft loved by both rookie and veteran pilots and ground crew as well. It was robust, easy to maintain, and a highly successful dog-fighter.[1] It was used mostly as a tactical fighter, flying low over battlefields and engaging in dogfights below 13,000 ft.[4]

The new aircraft began to reach front line units during summer 1944. Yak-3 service tests were conducted by 91st IAP of the 2nd Air Army, commanded by Lt Colonel Kovalyov, in June–July 1944. The regiment had the task of gaining air superiority. During 431 missions, 20 Luftwaffe fighters and three Ju 87s were shot down while Soviet losses amounted to two Yak-3s shot down.[5] A large dogfight developed on 16 June 1944, when 18 Yak-3s clashed with 24 German aircraft. Soviet Yak-3 fighters shot down 15 German aircraft for the loss of one Yak destroyed and one damaged. The following day, Luftwaffe activity over that section of the front had virtually ceased.[5] On 17 July 1944, eight Yaks attacked a formation of 60 German aircraft, including escorting fighters. In the ensuing dogfight, the Luftwaffe lost three Junkers Ju 87s and four Bf 109Gs, for no losses to the Yaks.[6] Consequently, the Luftwaffe issued an order to "avoid combat below five thousand metres with Yakovlev fighters lacking an oil cooler intake beneath the nose!"[7] Luftwaffe fighters in combat with the Yak-3 tried to use surprise tactics, attacking from above.[8]

Unresolved wartime problems with the Yak-3 included plywood surfaces coming unstuck when the aircraft pulled out of a high-speed dive.[1] Other drawbacks of the aircraft were short range and poor engine reliability. The pneumatic system for actuating landing gear, flaps and brakes, typical for all Yakovlev fighters of the time, was problematic. Though less reliable than hydraulic or electrical alternatives, the pneumatic system was preferred owing to significant weight savings.

In 1944, the Normandie-Niemen Group re-equipped with the Yak-3, scoring with it the last 99 of their 273 air victories against the Luftwaffe. [8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak-3

Ki-100



Using the KI-84 as the basis, this airframe shouldn't take as much time as it would from scratch.

The Ki-100 made its combat debut on the night of 9 March 1945[7] and suffered its first loss on 7 April 1945, when a Ki-100 flown by Master Sergeant Yasuo Hiema of the 18th Sentai was shot down by a B-29 after "attacking the formation again and again".[7][N 1] Allied aircrews soon realised that they were facing a formidable new fighter[12] Although far fewer Ki-100s were available than the Ki-84s, it was perceived to be one of the most important fighters in the inventory. However, during interception of the high-flying B-29s (the B-29 raids soon became low-level missions) the new Japanese fighters struggled as the Ha-112-II engine performance decreased at high altitudes.

An overall assessment of the effectiveness of the Ki-100 rated it highly in agility, and a well-handled Ki-100 was able to outmanoeuvre any American fighter, including the formidable P-51D Mustangs and the P-47N Thunderbolts which were escorting the B-29 raids over Japan by that time, and was comparable in speed, especially at medium altitudes. In the hands of an experienced pilot, the Ki-100 was a deadly opponent and, together with the Army's Ki-84 and the Navy's Kawanishi N1K-J, the only other Japanese fighters being able to defeat the latest Allied types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ki-100

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G.55



The Italians appear to have been very happy with a specific shape when it came to overall fighter design.
Modifications of the existing Macchi fighters should make airframe modeling easier.

The first Centauro to see operational use was the third prototype. On 21 March 1943, the aircraft was assigned to 20° Gruppo (squadron), 51° Stormo (wing) CT, based on Roma-Ciampino, for operational evaluation. In May, the G.55 followed the unit to Capoterra, near Cagliari having its baptism of fire on 5 June 1943, against Allied aircraft attacking Sardinia. The two first pre-production series flew, respectively, on 10 April and in May 1943. In early June they were assigned to 353a Squadriglia (flight) CT based in Foligno, Umbria, were, until August, were transferred nine more aircraft.[11] Pilots were delighted when they began to receive the new fighter in summer 1943.

 On 8 September 1943, the date of Armistice, the Regia Aeronautica had received 35 G.55s. Only one of them flew to southern Italy, accepting the invitation of Maresciallo d'Italia Pietro Badoglio to surrender to Allied forces.

There still is not exact data about the G.55 captured by Luftwaffe or acquired by Aeronautica Nazionale Republicana. About 18 G.55s were acquired by ANR while 12-20, or even 42, according to some reports, were requisitioned by the Luftwaffe.[11] The Centauro entered in service with the ANR; a decision was made to produce 500 G.55s, of which 300 were G.55/I and 200 G.55/II Serie II, armed with five 20 mm MG 151/20s and no machine guns. Only 148 were delivered to the ANR units that, as the number of available G.55s dwindled, were progressively re-equipped with the Bf 109G, of various sub-versions, even though Italian pilots preferred the G.55 with cancellation of production being extremely unpopular.

The first unit in ANR to be equipped with G.55 was the Squadriglia Montefusco, in November 1943, operating from Piemonte until 29 March 1944, when it was absorbed by the 1st Gruppo and transferred in Veneto. The 2nd Gruppo was formed at Bresso. It was initially commanded by Lt Col Antonio Vizzoto, and later by Lt Col Aldo Alessandrini. [14] It had three Squadriglie (the 4th, Gigi Tre Osei, the 5th, Diavoli Rossi, and the 6th, Gamba di Ferro). The unit operated near Milan and Varese until April 1944, then it was transferred near Parma and Pavia, then again near the Lake Garda (Brescia and Verona). At the end of May, the 2° Gruppo gave its G.55s to 1° Gruppo and re-equipped with 46 exI./JG 53 and II.JG 77 Bf 109G-6/R6[14]

With the ANR, the G.55s gave a good account of themselves against Allied fighters like the Spitfires and Mustang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-55

Re.2005



Though more differences can be seen than in the G.55, the basic shape is still there.

The first pilot to use the Re. 2005 for operational duty was Maggiore Vittorio Minguzzi, commander of 22o Gruppo. The unit was based at Napoli-Capodichino airfield for the defense of the city. Minguzzi received the prototype of the Re.2005 (MM.494) — after flight test evaluations in Guidonia — and made the first flight with this aircraft on 7 March 1943. He and the most able pilots in the Gruppo flew this prototype until 23 March and they all had a very favourable and enthusiastic impression of it. He then took it to Napoli-Capodichino where it was incorporated into 362a Squadriglia. This unit – commanded by Capitano Germano La Ferla – was the first to be equipped with the Re.2005. [7]

Minguzzi scrambled for the first time in the Sagittario on 24 March, when Naples was attacked and on 2 April he claimed a four-engined B-24 Liberator bomber over the Isle of Ischia. This claim is not verified against corresponding USAAF losses. Italian ace Vittorio Minguzzi was impressed by this aircraft following its tests and combat debut on 2 April 1943. He wrote:

    The aircraft is in ideal flying conditions at an altitude of 7,000–7,500 meters and can make repeated attacks on American heavy bombers in all positions and from all directions... I can therefore say that the speed and handling qualities are excellent even at 7,000 meters and that compared to the Macchi 202, the Sagittario made two attacks in the time required by the Macchi C.202 for a single pass.[8]

Grp Cpt. Duncan Smith, DSO DFCA, a British fighter pilot and fighter leader of World War II, greatly respected the Re.2005:

    The Re.2005 'Sagittario' was a potent aircraft. Having had a dog-fight with one of them, I am convinced we would have been hard pressed to cope in our Spitfires operationally, if the Italians or Germans had had a few Squadrons equipped with these aircraft at the beginning of the Sicily campaign or in operations from Malta. Fast, and with excellent manoeuvrability, the Re.2005 was altogether a superb aeroplane. Neither the Macchi 205 nor the Bf 109G measured up to the capabilities of the Re.2005 series in manoeuvrability or rate of climb. I think it was easily the best aircraft Italy produced. It is a pity that no Re.2001/5s survive this day because they were fine examples of Italian engineering craftsmanship.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggiane_Re.2005

JU-52



Alright, now we're getting into a completely new airframe from scratch. The first of the
triple-engined fixed gear type. But it may provide good practice for 2 more.

The Junkers Ju 52 (nicknamed Tante Ju ("Auntie Ju") and Iron Annie) was a German trimotor transport aircraft manufactured from 1932 to 1945. It saw both civilian and military service during the 1930s and 1940s. In a civilian role, it flew with over 12 air carriers including Swissair and Deutsche Luft Hansa as an airliner and freight hauler. In a military role, it flew with the Luftwaffe as a troop and cargo transport and briefly as a medium bomber. The Ju 52 continued in postwar service with military and civilian air fleets well into the 1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_52

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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2013, 12:51:23 AM »
we need to get Arlo better resources than wikipedia...never tells the "whole story".
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SM.79



I believe this aircraft design would see a decent amount of use in Med/Italy/Sicily settings.

The Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero (Italian for "Sparrowhawk") was a three-engined Italian medium bomber with a wood-and-metal structure. Originally designed as a fast passenger aircraft, this low-wing monoplane, in the years 1937–39, set 26 world records that qualified it for some time as the fastest medium bomber in the world.[1] It first saw action during the Spanish Civil War and flew on all fronts in which Italy was involved during World War II.[2] It became famous and achieved many successes as a torpedo bomber in the Mediterranean theater.[3] The SM.79 was an outstanding aircraft and was certainly the best-known Italian aeroplane of World War II.[2] It was easily recognizable due to its distinctive fuselage dorsal "hump", and was well liked by its crews who nicknamed it Gobbo Maledetto ("damned hunchback").[4] It was the most widely produced Italian bomber of World War II, with some 1,300 built, remaining in Italian service until 1952.[5]

http://www.belliludi.com/SM.79.jpg

SM.82



As mentioned elsewhere in the forum, this would see use as both a transport and a bomber.

Speaking of which, once this and the JU-52 are modeled, simply adding the C-47, individually,
for the British (Dakota), Japanese (Showa/Nakajima L2D) and Soviets (Lisunov Li-2) with
possible modifications allowing for a single gun emplacement would give all 6 nationalities a
transport - and possibly allow for unique skinning of troops.

The Savoia-Marchetti SM.82 was an Italian bomber and transport aircraft of World War II. It was a cantilever, mid-wing monoplane trimotor with a retractable, tailwheel undercarriage. About 400 were built, the first entering service in 1940, but although able to operate as a bomber with a maximum bombload of up to 8,818 lb (4000 kg), the SM.82 saw very limited use in this role.[1]

Post-war about 30 SM.82s continued in service with the Aeronautica Militare Italliana, many remaining in service until the early 1960s.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.82

B6N



Ok .... here's the better option to the Kate for later war events.

The Nakajima B6N Tenzan (Japanese: 中島 B6N 天山—"Heavenly Mountain", Allied reporting name: "Jill") was the Imperial Japanese Navy's standard carrier-borne torpedo bomber during the final years of World War II and the successor to the B5N "Kate". Due to its protracted development, a shortage of experienced pilots and the United States Navy's achievement of air superiority by the time of its introduction, the B6N was never able to fully demonstrate its combat potential.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_B6N
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D4Y



And a Japanese late war dive bomber.

The Yokosuka (横須賀?) D4Y Suisei (彗星 "Comet"?) Navy Carrier Dive bomber was operated by the Imperial Japanese Navy. Its Allied reporting name was "Judy". The D4Y was one of the fastest dive-bombers of the war and only the delays in its development hindered its service while its predecessor, the slower fixed-gear Aichi D3A remained in service much longer than intended. Despite limited use, the speed and the range of the D4Y was nevertheless valuable, and the type was used with success as reconnaissance aircraft as well as for kamikaze missions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_D4Y

Pe-2



One of the best if not the best Soviet built dive-bomber of WWII.
But it's still not a level bomber.

The Petlyakov Pe-2 (Russian: Петляков Пе-2, nicknamed Peshka (Пешка - "Pawn"; also a Russian diminutive for "little Pe") was a Soviet dive bomber aircraft used during World War II. It was regarded as one of the best ground attack aircraft of the war[2] and it was extremely successful in the roles of heavy fighter, reconnaissance and night fighter.[3] It was one of the most important aircraft of World War II, being in many respects similar to the British de Havilland Mosquito. 11,400 Pe-2s were manufactured during the war, greater numbers than any other twin-engined combat aircraft.[3][4] (Second in production numbers was the American Lockheed P-38 Lightning, 10,037 were built). The Pe-2 was fast, maneuverable and durable. Several Communist nations flew the type after the war, when it became known by the NATO reporting name Buck. Six captured Pe-2s were also transferred from the Germans to the Finnish Air Force during the Continuation War, with the serial code PE- and the unofficial nickname Pekka-Eemeli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petlyakov_Pe-2

SB-2



SB 2M-100



SB-RK (See a slight resemblance to the Pe-2?)

This one is. An old and trusted design .. to a point. It would still be a good
addition for early war events and such.

The Tupolev ANT-40, also known by its service name Tupolev SB (Russian: Скоростной бомбардировщик – Skorostnoi Bombardirovschik – "high speed bomber"), and development co-name TsAGI-40, was a high speed twin-engined three-seat monoplane bomber, first flown in 1934.

The design was very advanced, but lacked refinement, much to the dismay of crews and maintenance personnel – and of Stalin, who pointed out that "there are no trivialities in aviation".

Numerically the most important bomber in the world in the late 1930s, the SB was the first modern stressed-skin aircraft produced in quantity in the Soviet Union and probably the most formidable bomber of the mid-1930s. Many versions saw extensive action in Spain, the Republic of China, Mongolia, Finland and at the beginning of the War against Germany in 1941. It was also used in various duties in civil variants, as trainers and in many secondary roles.

Successful in the Spanish Civil War because it outpaced most fighters, the aircraft was obsolete by 1941. By June 1941, 94% of bombers in the Red Army air force (VVS RKKA) were SBs.

SB 2M-100 – first production model. Wing area increased to 56.7 m2 (610 ft2). Equipped with Klimov M-100 engines (the Hispano-Suiza 12Y built under licence) driving two-bladed propellers.

SB-RK (Rasresnoye krilo – slotted wing) – Dive bomber delevloped in parallel with SB-MN. Same wings as SB-MN, but with large slotted flaps usable as dive brakes. The cooling radiators were buried within the wings, with an air intake on the leading and the exhaust on the wing's upper surface. Equipped with three ShKAS machine guns, and it could carry six 100 kg (220 lb) bombs or two 250 kg (550 lb) bombs internally or 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) bombs externally. Ordered into production as Arkhangelskii Ar-2. 200 built before it was superseded by the Pe-2 and Tu-2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_SB
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2013, 12:56:12 AM »
we need to get Arlo better resources than wikipedia...never tells the "whole story".

Ten times as many posts and the 'whole story' can be told. ;) I've other reference material
available. I have to tell you, prejudice against Wiki is inflated. The last book I picked up is
not only rife with typos but it couldn't even reference the plane profiles properly.

But anything you feel needs addressing is available for just that.  :)

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Kawasaki Ki-45



This one may be a chore .... but it may be worth it.

The Ki-45 was initially used as a long-range bomber escort. The 84th Independent Flight Wing (Dokuritsu Hikō Chutai) used them in June 1942 in attacks on Guilin, where they encountered, but were no match for Curtiss P-40s flown by the Flying Tigers. In September of the same year, they met P-40s over Hanoi with similar results. It became clear that the Ki-45 could not hold its own against single-engine fighters in aerial combat.

It was subsequently deployed in several theaters in the roles of interception, attack (anti-ground as well as anti-shipping) and fleet defense. Its greatest strength turned out to be as an anti-bomber interceptor, as was the case of the Bf 110 in Europe. In New Guinea, the IJAAF used the aircraft in an anti-ship role, where the Ki-45 was heavily armed with one 37 mm (1.46 in) and two 20 mm cannons and could carry two 250 kg (550 lb) bombs on hard points under the wings. 1,675 Ki-45s of all versions were produced during the war.

The first production type (Ko) was armed with two 12.7 mm (.50 in) Ho-103 machine gun in the nose, a single Type 97 20 mm cannon in the belly offset to the right, and a trainable 7.92 mm (.312 in) machine gun in the rear cabin, and this was followed with the Otsu with the lower 20 mm cannon replaced by a 37 mm (1.46 in) type 94 tank gun, to counter B-17 Flying Fortress bombers. While the firepower was devastating, manual reloading meant that only two rounds could be fired per minute. The next type (Hei) restored the 20 mm cannon, and this time placed an automatic 37 mm (1.46 in) gun in the nose. A later addition in the ("tei") type were twin obliquely-firing 20 mm Ho-5 cannons behind the cockpit and often propulsive exhaust stacks.

Soon after entering service, the Ki-45 was assigned to home defense, and several were dispatched against the Doolittle raid, though they did not see action. The craft's heavy armament proved to be effective against the B-29 Superfortress raids which started in June 1944. However, its performance was insufficient to counter B-29s flying at 10,000 m (32,800 ft). Modifications such as reduction of fuel and ordnance were attempted to raise performance to little avail, and in the end aircraft were used effectively in aerial ramming attacks. An example of a ramming attack was the kamikaze attack on USS Dickerson on 2 April 1945 off Okinawa. The commanding officer and 54 crew were killed when a Toryu clipped the stacks from astern, and rammed the bridge. A second Toryu hit the foredeck, opening a 7 m (23 ft) hole in the deck. The ensuing fires demolished the ship, and after the surviving crew was rescued by fellow fast transports and ex-destroyers Bunch and Herbert, the ship was towed out to sea and scuttled.[4]
Remains of the only surviving Ki-45 KAIc on display at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, Virginia

In 1945, the forward and upward-firing guns showed some results with the commencement of night time bombing raids, but the lack of radar was a considerable handicap. By the spring of 1945, the advent of American carrier-based fighters and Iwo Jima-based P-51s escorting B-29s over the skies of Japan brought the Ki-45's career to an end.

The next version, the Kawasaki Ki-45 KAId, was developed specifically as a night fighter, which were supposed to be equipped with centimetric radar in the nose; due to production difficulties, this did not occur. The aircraft took part in night defense of the Home Islands and equipped four sentais from the autumn of 1944 to the War's end. They obtained notable successes, and one Ki-45 sentai claimed 150 victories and of these claimed eight USAAF B-29 Superfortresses in their first combat.

The Ki-45 was to be replaced in the ground-attack role by the Ki-102, but was never wholly supplanted by the war's end.

Three Ki-45s fell into communist Chinese hands after World War II. Unlike most captured Japanese aircraft that were employed in the training role, the three Ki-45s were assigned to the 1st Squadron of the Combat Flying Group in March 1949 and were used in combat missions. These aircraft were retired in the early 1950s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ki-45

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2013, 08:37:44 AM »
Ki-100 is 100% unrelated to the Ki-84.  The Ki-100 was a radial engined version of the Ki-61-II done as an emergency lashup after we destroyed the factory thst built thrir inline engines.  Thry had a bunch of completeted, engineless Ki-61-II airframes and this got them in the air.
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