Crossing Snapshots

[Latrobe]

I'm decent at lining up shots when I'm turning with someone but I've noticed I have a heck of a hard time trying to land shots on crossing snapshots. It's a real problem when I fly planes like the 109K4 which are best at getting kills by setting up these snapshots. I always seem to pull lead, point at a spot where they will be flying to, let off the G's, let them cross through my gunsight, and I either miss high or low.

Is there some kind of trick to these shots? How do you K4 experts line up these crossing shots?

[maddafinga]

I'm hardly an expert, and I'm not long back in the game, but I used to be pretty good at hitting those.  What I did was to fly to a very near collision, and shoot a second before just barely missing the bad guys plane with your own. 

[LCADolby]

Those sorts or crossing shot are really short range wouldn't that require a near 200 or less convergence, not to mention ruddering in the direction they are travelling to increase hit probability. 

[bustr]

You ever go offline, enable the LCS green cross, and fly across the drone circle repeatedly for an hour to try and understand the lead and trajectory for the MK108? Grizz was right about setting the convergence to 350. It averages the flattest to 400yds.

Time to Target in seconds MK108.

---Target----100---200---300---400---500---600--yards
---500m\s---.20---.40----.60----.80---1.0---1.2--seconds

Combat Speeds 90 degree left<--->right Travel in Yards.

--Time----.10--.20--.30---.40--.50--.60--.70--.80---.90---1.0--1.5--seconds
250mph---11---22---33---45---56---67---78---89---100--112--168--yards\sec
300mph---14---29---43---58---73---87--102--116--131--146--219
350mph---17---34---51---68---85--102--119--136--153--171--256
400mph---19---39---58---78---97--117--136--156--175--195--292

Revi 100Mil Ring at Range

100mil at 100yds = 8.3yds
100mil at 200yds = 19 yds
100mil at 300yds = 30 yds
100mil at 400yds = 40 yds
100mil at 600yds = 60 yds

At 200yds.
Target traveling 300mph left to right covers 58yds.
30mm takes .40sec to travel 200yds.
58\19=3.05.

From the center of your gunsight ring hold over by 3-100Mil rings lead.

+OOO

This is why K4 aces in the game talk about aiming with the windscreen vertical bars when calculating lead. When you dive on a B17 you aim in bomber lengths ahead of it. B17 is 25yds long. Our B17's can fly at about 300mph. Shooting from 600yds back the B17 will have traveled 200yds in 1.2sec. So 8 B17 lengths ahead or 3.3 Revi rings. Offline using the LCS sight makes that look outrageous as your aim point. I'm giving this as an illustration of how much more lead you have to account for with a 500m\sec slow round. Not as bomber killing instructions for those who jump on these things as bad tactics.

[Latrobe]

Thanks for the great replies. I've set the 30mm convergence at just about every setting from 150-300 and just can not seem to get it to shoot where I want. I remember trying 300 out in offline to see where the 30mm was hitting. It was pretty flat and I thought I'd be happy with it, but I still couldn't land hits on anything past 200yds. So, I set the convergence back to 200 again. This makes the 30mm drop off like a rock at 400 or further but I can't hit anything there anyways.

I think one of my problems I keep forgetting about is the long travel time the 30mm takes. Even if my 13mm's and 30mm are hitting in the same place the 30mm is taking a heck of a lot longer than the 13's to get there. I need to get out of the habit of trying to snipe them with a few rounds and just let the led fly like I do in my other 109s.



 

[bustr]

Don't know if you ever met Plantano.

He taught me the K4 way, way, back. He also taught me to shoot by single taps. Talk to JunkyII about that. He went that direction in learning the MK108 after I told him about Plantano. In about a week of only flying the K4 he could hit things easily with the MK108 but, lost his sense for smaller caliber guns.

Takes a week of non stop K4.

At 200 yards dispersion becomes your enemy. Hitech has the crappy dispersion dialed in. I think he even has the spin drift modeled also.

From Rechlin testing of the MK108. I'm turning meters in yards, feet, inches because the original german is in meters. Crappy ballistics ain't it? Your best shots are inside of 200 shooting at fighters. It's been a few years that I can remember being punished from 400 non stop by K4 and Ta152.

Range-- Drop-- Dispersion
109yd-- 8in---- 7ft
219yd-- 2.7ft-- 14ft <---- Set MK108 conv to 350 and highest point is 2ft above sight line. Flat to 200yd.
328yd-- 6.5ft-- 22ft
437yd-- 12ft--- 31ft <---- It's not the drop that's killing your aim with this gun.

The offline target's rings are 10ft wide. Do some dispersion testing from all 4 of these distances on auto level at 312 ia. Helps if you go into the arena setup offline and increase your ammo 10x for testing.

100, 200, 300, 400

Check out some of the random flyer rounds at all 4 distances.

[aztec]

bustr how do I enable LCS offline?

Thx in advance

[bustr]

How to enable the following for offline.

1. - Lead Computing Gunsight and Dive Bombing Sight.

2. - .001 Fuel Burn rate.

3. - 10x Ammo.

Clipboard ---> Options
Arena Setup
Environment
Arena Settings

(General Tab)
FlightModeFlags---> Change Button
Dive Bombsight {x}
Lead Computing Gunsight {x}
OK Button then Save

FuelBurnRateMulti---> Change Button
0.001
OK Button then Save

(Weapons Tab)
ManGunnerAmmoMulti---> Change Button
10
PlaneAutoAmmoMulti---> Change Button
10
PlaneGunAmmoMulti---> Change Button
10
OK Button to each then Save

When chasing drones hit the TAB key to enable the green cross and cycle focus between the drones. When testing rockets or bombing, when you hit the ordinance select key the green dive bomb cross will show up.

[Rodent57]

Aztec,

To get the LCG up:
"Options"

"Arena Set up"

"Environment"

"Arena Settings"

Under the "General Tab", scroll down until you see "FlightModeFlags"

- "X" Lead Computed Gunsight

...

To get a better feel for Time of Flight (and trajectory) of your various rounds/platforms, I suggest you bring up the Target and shoot it at different distances (Counting in your head from trigger to splash):

".target XXX", Enter

  -- The target will be due north of you and will fly along at you altitude and at the range (XXX) you set

To remove/reset it, type ".Target 0", Enter

Like bustr said, It takes time to internalize the shots

 

- Rodent57

{Bustr beat me to the post key :-) }

[Zacherof]

Thanks bustr! .
If you guys are on tonight I'll be seeing you
later either rook or knights

[aztec]

Thx guys, I sure appreciate it

[Bruv119]

go ask bone,  joachim or redbull how they do it. 

They rarely miss.   

[mechanic]

Being young helps. Between 15-25 years old reactions and instinctual gunnery will be far better than that of a 26-35 year old. I'm 30 now and I just don't have the same computer gaming ability as when I started playing a decade ago. Not to mention that the older and more mature we get the less time we waste getting good at games.

However, do not be downhearted, in real life there are many things that us old folks are better at than the whippersnappers  

[morfiend]

Being young helps. Between 15-25 years old reactions and instinctual gunnery will be far better than that of a 26-35 year old. I'm 30 now and I just don't have the same computer gaming ability as when I started playing a decade ago. Not to mention that the older and more mature we get the less time we waste getting good at games.

However, do not be downhearted, in real life there are many things that us old folks are better at than the whippersnappers  

  LOL you think 30 is old........ You're in for a surprise my friend!!!!


  I do agree the youth have eyesight and reflexes I can only wish for but I'll take old age and treachery over youth and good looks anyday!


  However I do wish I was 30 and knew what I know today!!!


   


  PS:  while my shooting leave plenty to be desired,I say try to get the rounds out in-front of the enemy,better to miss a few in-front and have the enemy fly into them than to miss them all behind the enemy.

[FLS]

I'm decent at lining up shots when I'm turning with someone but I've noticed I have a heck of a hard time trying to land shots on crossing snapshots. It's a real problem when I fly planes like the 109K4 which are best at getting kills by setting up these snapshots. I always seem to pull lead, point at a spot where they will be flying to, let off the G's, let them cross through my gunsight, and I either miss high or low.

Is there some kind of trick to these shots? How do you K4 experts line up these crossing shots?

A good way to practice crossing snap shots is to fly a flat scissors with a partner and take turns being the shooter and the target. The target aircraft should be predictable and easy to line up on until you get consistent hits. Switch roles when the shooter is out of ammo.