20 eny 190a8 really....

[bangsbox]

This poor plane has seen 3 different eny's over the years. The question is why and how a plane can go from 32 eny to 25 and now only 20? Being in to 20 category is over rating this bird (not to mention I can get as many perks using it now). She now well out of her league, she's not an uber town killer or fighter. She belongs at 25 again IMO.

[Citabria]

it is base don usage mostly.

just like f4u1c is perked and f4u1d is not guns make the difference.

190a8 can kill any bomber formation with easy at or below 25k and its 30mm give it 1 shot one kill ability against fighters.

like the hurri2c before it was updated and nerfed to the ground the 190a8's guns make it the radial 190 of choice as shown by the amount its used.

if you think the guns don't matter up a 190a5 it flies better and only has a smaller gun setup.

[Karnak]

(not to mention I can get as many perks using it now)

This is why you complain.

The Fw190A-8 was being abused as a perk farmer when its ENY was 32 or 25.  Its usage was far too high to justify that high of an ENY score.  You are focusing much too much on one fighter vs one fighter potential and devaluing or ignoring all of the other things that go into setting an ENY value.

[Latrobe]

190A8 is a superb fighter and a superb bomber killer. You just have to use it right (i.e. not flat turning with spits or climbing straight up with 38s). 20 eny seems fair for it.

[bangsbox]

190A8 is a superb fighter and a superb bomber killer. You just have to use it right (i.e. not flat turning with spits or climbing straight up with 38s). 20 eny seems fair for it.

I use her very well. also I thought performance and effect on game had more to do with eny than usage.

[Karnak]

I use her very well. also I thought performance and effect on game had more to do with eny than usage.

Usage and effect on the game are strongly tied together.

EDIT:

Can you demonstrate that other ENY 20 fighters have more effect on the game?

Three ENY 20 fighters in Tour 61 LWA:

Fw190A-8	Kills: 5559	Deaths: 4898
Ki-84-Ia	Kills: 4821	Deaths: 4043
Spitfire Mk IX	Kills: 2987	Deaths: 2095

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Notes based on Tour 161 (so far)

Since I've understood ENY is primary based on usage, shouldn't the Typhoon would have same ENY as the Mossie then (30) ? ) They both also have 4*Hispanos and good ordnance.

A8 have almost same usage and close to same K/D as the K4, should they not have same ENY ? A8 also have better ordnance which lower (?) ENY further

The Jug-M have better K/D than the A8 but close to same usage, A8 should be closer to ENY 10 ? A8 have better ordnance, ENY 5-7 ?

Spit14 have less K/D than the A8, and little higher usage as the A8, the A8 should be ENY 10 ? A8 have better ordnance , maybe ENY 3-5 ?


I guess I do not get this ... and what hard data ENY is based on except usage.

One on one an A8 will die fast against these planes, but I do not think this will be taken into account for ENY ( or is ENY based on more subjective matters too ?)

[Lusche]

I guess I do not get this ... and what hard data ENY is based on except usage.

ENY is based on a mix of many factors, and not all are quantifiable in terms of "hard data". It's quite a subjective process. No wonder, as the single ENY factor is used for quite different things, regulating the arena (mostly by ENY limiter) and determine perk gain by combat.

[SmokinLoon]

ENY is based on a mix of many factors, and not all are quantifiable in terms of "hard data". It's quite a subjective process. No wonder, as the single ENY factor is used for quite different things, regulating the arena (mostly by ENY limiter) and determine perk gain by combat.

Indeed.  I always cringe when people make a direct comparison of two very different planes and say "they should be equal ENY".  I suggest everyone take each and every bit of hard data available and mix in the data not able to be measured (plane forgiveness, pilot views, dive speed ability, ease of stall recovery, etc), and look at the big picture.   

In terms of the Tiff vs Mossi, the Mossi carries more damage in ordnance (2604 lbs) vs the Typhoon's 2000 lbs, and carry more oomph in the guns as well more 20mm ammo (and dont forget the quad .30 cals w/ truck loads of ammo!), AND the Mossi can fly about 4 times further than the Tiff if need be.  The Typhoon is more more capable fighter and is faster.  I use them both quite a bit.   

Ultimately, the only people who can understand the ENY values are those who assign them: HTC.  Do not try to decipher how or why HTC does the things they do, you'll drive yourself mad.  Just look at Looshey.   

[MrRiplEy[H]]

The people I know fly 190A8 usually choose the lighter gun package because with the 30mm you're dead meat with fighters. In MA you don't survive very long in pure buff hunting mode - the 410 is a testament to that.

[Volron]

The people I know fly 190A8 usually choose the lighter gun package because with the 30mm you're dead meat with fighters. In MA you don't survive very long in pure buff hunting mode - the 410 is a testament to that.

Not unless you take escort which gives you a better chance, but still no guarantee's.

[bozon]

I used to have an oppinion about ENY, but now it does not seem to matter. After the unperking of the spit14 it is clear that we will have fewer and fewer perked rides. What does it matter if I land 2 or 20 perks? I will not be using them anyway.

As long as ENY is high enough to escape the ENY limiter, its exact value makes no difference.

That is unless htc introduces perked loadout options.

[Lusche]

After the unperking of the spit14 it is clear that we will have fewer and fewer perked rides.

You noticed that at the same some other planes perk price went up, didn't you?

[bozon]

You noticed that at the same some other planes perk price went up, didn't you?

Fewer, not cheaper.
The perk cost of f4uc could be anything and it would still be a super rare event that I fly one. Perk the mossie VI and I would still fly it. Same goes to the 47M that deserves a minimal perk cost - and I would fly it.

[SmokinLoon]

Fewer, not cheaper.
The perk cost of f4uc could be anything and it would still be a super rare event that I fly one. Perk the mossie VI and I would still fly it. Same goes to the 47M that deserves a minimal perk cost - and I would fly it.

I agree.  There are a whole host of planes that I'd use if they did perk them.  I'd use the Mossi and Tiffy for porkin' runs even if they did add in small perk cost (the Mossi's 30 ENY is a bit high, but I'm not going to complain  ), I use them both a lot.   

Also, there are many planes that could certainly use a 1-2 perk cost.  Candidates are the P51D, La7, Spit16, P47M, Ta152, 109K-4, 190D-9, Lancaster, B24's, B17's, and maybe a few others.  HTC has done a good job with the the gv's, I think they could/should pass along adding a small perk cost to a host of