'George Lucas Lie' Achievement

[Zacherof]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoLLDi-M3fk

30mm vs Spitfire.

:Owow that's pretty deatructive

[Ten60]

Yeah they fought and died so 70 years later spoiled teenagers who can't spell weren't or strong could belittle them while living under the security they paid for in blood. 

+10

[alpini13]

i think we should  give credit..where credit is due....not to those who want credit simply because of their skin color or religious views. that being said the redtails officially have 112 enemy aircraft destroyed in the air, another 150 on the ground...thats total , for all 992 redtail pilots combined for the entire war.     there are many luftwaffe pilots that have exceed those totals....all by themselves   and i dont see any movies being made about them,lol.   also officailly via unit citations,in all the escort missions,they lost 25 bombers...not 0. i guess since usa has a black history month,a black tv network(bet) and black miss america pageant,they also have to find a way to emulate the redtails squadron because of their skin color.   the redtails were a brave group of men that put it all on the line for their country,heritage and freedom of themselvs and others...sometimes they would even die for it.i salute them<S>...but the same goes  FOR ALL COMBATANTS OF ALL COUNTRIES THAT HAVE EVER FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM OR COUNTRY because their country asked them to ,and that would include germany,italy,japan and all other axis and allied countries involved in ww2 and all peoples around the world throughout all of history.i salute them as well<S>

[Shifty]

i think we should  give credit..where credit is due....not to those who want credit simply because of their skin color or religious views. that being said the redtails officially have 112 enemy aircraft destroyed in the air, another 150 on the ground...thats total , for all 992 redtail pilots combined for the entire war.     there are many luftwaffe pilots that have exceed those totals....all by themselves   and i dont see any movies being made about them,lol.   also officailly via unit citations,in all the escort missions,they lost 25 bombers...not 0. i guess since usa has a black history month,a black tv network(bet) and black miss america pageant,they also have to find a way to emulate the redtails squadron because of their skin color.   the redtails were a brave group of men that put it all on the line for their country,heritage and freedom of themselvs and others...sometimes they would even die for it.i salute them<S>...but the same goes  FOR ALL COMBATANTS OF ALL COUNTRIES THAT HAVE EVER FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM OR COUNTRY because their country asked them to ,and that would include germany,italy,japan and all other axis and allied countries involved in ww2 and all peoples around the world throughout all of history.i salute them as well<S>

Ahh so the Red Tails don't fit into your Tuetonic wet dream and it bothers you. Very true there were many Luftwaffe pilots that had more kills than the whole 332nd FG. That is not uncommon for Luftwaffe fighter pilots though. There are also Luftwaffe pilots that had more air to air kills than other USAAF FGs. Hartmann Galland Baer Knoke Wick Moelders Nowotny are names I can pull from memory immediately. Quick name seven 332nd pilots off the top of your head,, Name four, name two.. Can't do it can you? Neither can I. So evidently your German heroes have been given more fame adoration and hero worship than the Tuskegee Airmen. Don't look for a Hollywood movie about the Luftwaffe aces. Like it or not they fought for a country that was hell bent domination of the entire continent and its people. They fought for a country that committed genocide. Don't kid yourself they were not freedom fighters, not by a long shot. They fought for the country that started the war. You can salute them all you want, but you're a very confused young man saluting them and disparaging men who actually fought for the freedom you enjoy today. Not to mention they were Americans that were treated as second class citizens like the Japanese American Soldiers. They had to jump through hoops you cannot imagine for the privilege of putting their life on the line. Now you're going to whine about a Black Miss America contest and toss a salute towards Hienz Knoke an unapologetic Nazi? 

[LCADolby]

Quick name seven 332nd pilots off the top of your head,, Name four, name two.. Can't do it can you? Neither can I.

Lightning... Easy... Maurice... Deke...

*tongue in cheek*

[Shifty]

Lightning... Easy... Maurice... Deke...

*tongue in cheek*

[Franz Von Werra]

USA was 23% German-American during ww2.
USA armed forces were about 25% German-Americans.
I've met USA service people that don't even know this fact, conspiracy?

Lets see: "May old acquaintance be forgot, keep your eye on the grand ole flag!"
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

Example: the p-51 mustang was designed by:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Schmued
A Germany born American citizen.

It's easy to be a different race, religion, or nation, and say "fought for USA."
Its easy to fight AS AN AMERICAN vs an enemy of your OLD COUNTRY (or religion or race) also.
ITS NOT SO EASY TO FIGHT YOUR OWN OLD COUNTRY (or religion or race).
This said, most of the participant countries in ww2 were European - whites, killing each other wholesale.

OBSERVE CONSPIRACY IN ACTION:
Today: German-Americans are 18% of USA (2000 USA Census) and still the largest ethnic group in USA today.
Observe the attack at Wikipedia.com, this was recently changed, it did say 18% but now says 12%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Census
See where it lists Hispanics as top - at 13%
Under that it lists Germans as second with 12%, at 35 million.
Next to the German entry it shows 'German American' link, click that and see 18% at 50 million.

Conspiracy, yes! even Wikipedia is infected...

On this topic:
Japanese-Americans during ww2, just about all of 127,000 Japanese-Americans (80,000 of those were born here), all were locked up here in USA.
About 10,000 German-Americans were locked up also, NOT ALL OF THEM, only NOT TRUSTED ones.
Many years later:
German Americans DID NOT GET REPARATIONS that the Japanese Americans DID!!!
"The U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations to Japanese Americans who had been interned and their heirs."
Not sure with all this, because every so many years, it seems more money is requested and then given.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_internment

Today everyone seems to fight with votes and propaganda, for their own race, religion, old country nationality. :/

Check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Census
doesn't even list the population by old country nationalism? I'm fed up and outa this thread... for now.

And shifty, you seem to have ZERO information about the causes of ww2 OR YOU ARE CHOSING TO IGNOR the causes of ww2.  Which is it? both or neither lol?
Sooo naaaw, no bias on your part!  

LUCAS LIED, is the achievement!

[Arlo]

USA was 23% German-American during ww2.
USA armed forces were about 25% German-Americans.
I've met USA service people that don't even know this fact, conspiracy?

Um, because being ignorant of U.S. census demographic details of 1940 would require one?  

I mean, seriously, did you also ask how many women answered they were married more than once
in the 1940 census and receive a look other than you're a bit off tilt?

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/cb12-ffse01.html

[Tank-Ace]

don't suppose you've heard of shrapnel wounds...the non-armor piercing 30mm mk108 had a thin outer shell. they were designed to explode on impact, blow a hole in the airplane skin and throw shrapnel around. an engine compartment hit as was depicted would do pretty much what was seen depending on where in the engine compartment the hit occurred, could have been less, could have been more. a direct hit into the cockpit would have done more damage to the pilot but considering the amount of armor those planes had, a shell would have to explode inside the compartment to cause the amount of gore you expected.

I think the issue is more of the P-51 being still recognizable as a P-51, or even an aircraft, after taking what was close to a 10 second HO from the 262. I mean they ARE 4 30mm's firing at 650 rds/min, for a combined total of around 430 shells fired; basically, we're looking at a total mass of around 141 kg of shells being fired, with a whopping 36.5 kg of that being the HE filler of the shell.

After 36kg of HE to the face, an A10 Warthog would be done. A P-51 should be scrap metal.

[Zacherof]

Some 262 had 20mm guns


























And WTF was that twisty move, cut throttle, pull up and you get and uber sharp yo-yo/split S half arse reversal?

[Shifty]

And shifty, you seem to have ZERO information about the causes of ww2 OR YOU ARE CHOSING TO IGNOR the causes of ww2.  Which is it? both or neither lol?
Sooo naaaw, no bias on your part!  

I'm pretty sure I know the causes of WWII. Unchecked aggression by Nazi Germany, and a wannabe in Italy. Not to mention Japanese aggression in China, followed by a sneak attack Pearl Harbor when they had to suffer consequences of their actions in China. Besides my conversation with Alpini13 had nothing to do with the causes of WWII, so you missed the whole boat on that conversation. Another thing it doesn't matter if you're German American French American Dutch American African American or Japanese American, you are American.  Also the German and Italian Americans suffered none of the prejudices the Japanese Americans and Black Americans had to deal with when it came to serving in the armed forces during WWII.

Was there all German and Italian US Army units because the rest of the soldiers would not serve with them? Did the US Military have to segregate in the late 40s to allow soldiers of German ancestry serve with the other soldiers? No they didn't and you know it. By the way I am of German ancestry myself, so I'm not anti German or anti Luftwaffe. I am anti Nazi though. I don't give a damn about George Lucas or his crappy movie. I do think it is the pinnacle of ignorance for a person to laugh and belittle at the efforts of his own countrymen that have served and suffered to provide many of the blessings he enjoys to this day while displaying unadulterated hero worship for the very people opposed to them. However you two citizens knock yourself out it is a free country after all, thanks to GIs not Luftwaffe pilots.  

[MK-84]

I want to punch Mr. Lucas in the face every time I hear about this movie.

P.S. Final Countdown...more believable movie!

[Zacherof]

I want to punch Mr. Lucas in the face every time I hear about this movie.

P.S. Final Countdown...more believable movie!

that's classic!

[Krusty]

The physics in that movie were nonexistent... The movie sucked SO bad that Lucas threw a hissy fit when people didn't heap praise upon his unpolished and rather ripe turd of a film.

So he packed up his gear, sold it to Disney, and went to sulk in his room, because he is absolutely out of touch with reality.

[bustr]

In the early 2000's a lawsuit concerning the myth of never loosing a bomber caused the Air Force to order all records of the Tuskegee group to be reviewed. The Air Force to it's credit didn't want any lies to stand as public record and tarnish their overall record how ever the research turned out.

All men and women who fight in wars are hero's for showing up and placing themselves in harms way or taking part in all of the efforts to achieve the end. Myths up to a point are good for moral. Past that point they become institutionalize lies that do no credit to anyone other than those using the lies for personal gain, while making you wonder about those who tacitly remained silent who had been there. A lot of personal gain has happened since the end of the war using the myth if you search for Tuskegee related organizations. The truth was not anything to be ashamed of after the war compared to other fighter groups. The 332nd performed as expected of an AAF fighter group and nothing more. Which in the world of civilian race politics was not enough compared to the grandeur of the myth.

There are no supermen in war. Just men willing to face the consequences with their lives.

The Air Force Historian charged with the research.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123286425

The research.

http://www.tuskegee.edu/sites/www/Uploads/files/About%20US/Airmen/Nine_Myths_About_the_Tuskegee_Airmen.pdf

http://www.tuskegee.edu/sites/www/Uploads/files/About%20US/Airmen/TUSKEGEE_AIRMEN_CHRONOLOGY12.2011.pdf