'George Lucas Lie' Achievement

[Franz Von Werra]

Maybe I have had this all wrong...

Achievement shouldn't be win a ho agaisnt a 262...
Better yet, win a ho while in a 262! 

[Karnak]

I have to laugh at the guys who like to compare the kill stats of such and such Allied unit or ace with such and such German unit or ace.  A reporter even asked the top Allied ace in the European Theater of Operations Johnnie Johnson (39 kills) why he didn't get as many as leading ace Erich Hartman (352 kills) and he replied that he hadn't even seen that many enemy aircraft.

Germany (and Japan, Italy, Romania and Finland) all had "target rich environments" which is often a euphemism for "losing".  They had more opportunities to run up their scores than Allied pilots did because they fought longer and faced more enemy aircraft.

In addition, specific to the 332nd Fighter Group is the prejudice they faced from within the USAAF that may well have further limited their opportunities to come to grips with the enemy.

Details like these are things that certain distasteful people with abhorrent views like to ignore when they try to present "evidence" for those abhorrent views.

[MADe]

Tell me 1 WW2 movie that got it right. That's why they call it fiction and entertainment.

Redtails never lost a bomber they escorted...................

German pilots did have better records, they also flew a hell of a lot more. Allied pilots were rotated out after so many missions flown, German pilots were not relieved until dead.......

In real life the British Hurricanes and early model Spitfires beat the crap out of Germany's air force. Remember the Battle of Britain. 1 bullet placed properly can bring down any plane, and thank god for that. Can you imagine if the Nazi's had been allowed to have thier way........................th ey murdered 13+ million men, women and children, not to mention military casualties. Good riddance I say.

[Vinkman]

don't suppose you've heard of shrapnel wounds...the non-armor piercing 30mm mk108 had a thin outer shell. they were designed to explode on impact, blow a hole in the airplane skin and throw shrapnel around. an engine compartment hit as was depicted would do pretty much what was seen depending on where in the engine compartment the hit occurred, could have been less, could have been more. a direct hit into the cockpit would have done more damage to the pilot but considering the amount of armor those planes had, a shell would have to explode inside the compartment to cause the amount of gore you expected.

I would think the 30mm was designed to penetrate the skin and then explode. 

[Tank-Ace]

Tell me 1 WW2 movie that got it right. That's why they call it fiction and entertainment.

Redtails never lost a bomber they escorted...................

German pilots did have better records, they also flew a hell of a lot more. Allied pilots were rotated out after so many missions flown, German pilots were not relieved until dead.......

In real life the British Hurricanes and early model Spitfires beat the crap out of Germany's air force. Remember the Battle of Britain. 1 bullet placed properly can bring down any plane, and thank god for that. Can you imagine if the Nazi's had been allowed to have thier way........................th ey murdered 13+ million men, women and children, not to mention military casualties. Good riddance I say.

Ehh...  From everything I've heard, both sides kept slugging away at each other, and Germany decided to pack it in to prepare for Barbarossa, leaving the British with a strategic victory, while being at a tactical disadvantage.

[dirtdart]

The physics in that movie were nonexistent... The movie sucked SO bad that Lucas threw a hissy fit when people didn't heap praise upon his unpolished and rather ripe turd of a film.

So he packed up his gear, sold it to Disney, and went to sulk in his room, because he is absolutely out of touch with reality.

The spin move was a straight steal from on of the "Dogfights" episodes where the guy talks about doing the flat plate or plate, I do not recall the guys name (in a mustang).