P47N Wiki?

[Randy1]

The Wiki write up reads like all other P47s will take a backseat when the N came out.  I see the N in the MA now and then but it is a rare bird as compared to the other 47s.  Is this just an over optimistic view by the writer or has something changed in the modeling?  I know the real world reason for the N model was long range, high altitude bomber escort and AH is more of a low altitude game.  25% fuel and a drop tank does gets the bird fairly light for a heavy weight.

Don't get me wrong.  I like the N.  The only draw back to me is the slow climb which WEP makes that good but WEP is like money in the bank and needs to be used wisely.

Interesting plane that doesn't seem to live up to the wiki writeup.

[morfiend]

 Randy, it's a wiki feel free to make your own writeup.







   

[RedBull1]

The only draw back to me is the slow climb which WEP makes that good but WEP is like money in the bank and needs to be used wisely.

Off topic, but:

This is something I never understood... People say 'I lost that fight cuz I ran out of WEP' or 'WEP = life' or this.. even in an aircraft like the K4 I never felt a big difference in the way I performed with or without WEP, maybe it's because I was generally in more of a knife fight/less E than the other guy anyway position or something but I never can say I thought to myself 'Darn, if I had had WEP I would've won there'

[Zacherof]

There are instances where running out of wep has negative consequences. When me and Angel duel for an hour, we were using A5's. I was going vert and he coulnd hang as long with out it.

Now were about equal pilots, using 50% fuel, same load out. 
My $0.02

[Tank-Ace]

The Wiki write up reads like all other P47s will take a backseat when the N came out.  I see the N in the MA now and then but it is a rare bird as compared to the other 47s.  Is this just an over optimistic view by the writer or has something changed in the modeling?  I know the real world reason for the N model was long range, high altitude bomber escort and AH is more of a low altitude game.  25% fuel and a drop tank does gets the bird fairly light for a heavy weight.

Don't get me wrong.  I like the N.  The only draw back to me is the slow climb which WEP makes that good but WEP is like money in the bank and needs to be used wisely.

Interesting plane that doesn't seem to live up to the wiki writeup.

Most don't use it right. The N is a bit heavier, especially with fuel loaded up, but a bit easier to handle when light, due to larger wings and a larger tail IIRC. However, it does climb poorer, and with the introduction of the M, its matched or exceeded in performance.

But the N should actually be superior at higher altitude, due to the larger wings.

[Randy1]

Randy, it's a wiki feel free to make your own writeup.

   

I was really wondering if the modeling had changed but n the future if I get enough time in the N I will do that.

Off topic, but:

This is something I never understood... People say 'I lost that fight cuz I ran out of WEP' or 'WEP = life' or this.. even in an aircraft like the K4 I never felt a big difference in the way I performed with or without WEP, maybe it's because I was generally in more of a knife fight/less E than the other guy anyway position or something but I never can say I thought to myself 'Darn, if I had had WEP I would've won there'

I do lean on WEP in the 47 and 38.  You do make a good point for sure.

[bj229r]

When the WEP runs out,(when engine cools off you get it back) N becomes a D40 with a thousand or so extra pounds. That being said, it's the only plane I've flown for 5 years or so....it's capable enough...with a really good pilot, it's a monster. Like all planes, it has to stay in what it can do best. M is tons better plane, (evidenced by stats...N has a kill ratio of .67 or so camp after camp) but I cant stand it, has little rudder effect, little elevator effect, compared to N

[Ninthmessiah]

jug v. jug, I'd take the N over any other model.  Way more stable and maneuverable at stall speeds.  A lot more rudder in the N too.   

Side note:  If you take more than 50% fuel in the N jug, you're doing it wrong.

[bozon]

Off topic, but:

This is something I never understood... People say 'I lost that fight cuz I ran out of WEP' or 'WEP = life' or this.. even in an aircraft like the K4 I never felt a big difference in the way I performed with or without WEP, maybe it's because I was generally in more of a knife fight/less E than the other guy anyway position or something but I never can say I thought to myself 'Darn, if I had had WEP I would've won there'

Check out the performance charts of the N model. WEP makes a huge difference in performance. In terms of engine power, WEP adds about 50% more power to the engine taking it from 2000HP to almost 3000 HP. This is a much bigger difference than what WEP does in other planes, including D-models P-47s. This super-WEP is the most significant difference from the D models - much more significant than the slightly bigger wings (offset by weight) and slightly better roll rate. From the planes that I am familiar with in AH, only the Spit-14 and Mosquito-VI (and 109G14 ?) have such super-WEPs and they too rely on it heavily in order to win - or just survive.

Beyond the usual E management game and gaining/maintaining E advantage over the enemy, the excess power allows one to sustain a tight turn for a longer time, thus improving the sustained turn performance, something that P-47s can really use.

[LilMak]

N + WEP = BEAST

N - WEP = Turd

N is great till the WEP runs out. Then it's the heaviest and slowest of all the Jugs (even light on fuel). If you're good at managing your WEP, it's pretty much as good as an M.

[bj229r]

I have a button on my stick, for just such an emUUUGGGency (insert Foghorn Leghorn accent)

[Tank-Ace]

From the planes that I am familiar with in AH, only the Spit-14 and Mosquito-VI (and 109G14 ?) have such super-WEPs and they too rely on it heavily in order to win - or just survive.

The G-14 is putting out something like 1200hp without WEP IIRC, and is almost hitting 1800hp on WEP. Not quite as big of a difference, but still large. The DB601E gained about 400hp on WEP, which is still a large improvment; just not quite the monsterous increases on a few other aircraft.

Daimler seemed to have been ahead of the other German engine manufacturers for some reason. Jumo and BMW engines just didn't get the same boosts in performance as the Daimler engines; they seem to have gained about 200hp with a WEP system, which is about half of what Daimler achieved with the 601, and about 1/3rd of the G-14's 605 engine.

[bj229r]

If it doesn't burn  a gallon of expensive, hydrocarbon-laden avgas every 11 seconds, it SUCKS!

[Krusty]

The engine performance on the N and M is identical. Same engine. Same horsepower. Same WEP. Same prop. Only difference is the empty weight is higher on the N, and the larger wing may make for better high-alt work and (maybe) better stall handling -- though only by a small margin.

The reason the N has a worse kill/death is because it's also used as a major JABO ride. 3,000 lbs or ord in one pass, and enough fuel to make it across half the map at 32,000 feet? Hell yes!

47M has no jabo load. Less death. It's that simple.

Altogether, they are very similar airframes with very similar performance. They both rock.

[Butcher]

I dunno why, but the M feels so much better then the N in handling. As most recall, they have the same engine as the D-40, however its the wep thats the difference.

I've never been able to fly the Jugs to its top performance, either escort or interception, for some reason it just always felt sluggish compared to a 38 or 51.