Smoke from fires

[gyrene81]

Well then, I do. You see if your desktop is running 1gb of RAM AT IDLE you are loaded with bloatware buddy. A system with 2gb of DDR3 RAM would run aces high fine. when playing aces high 2gb and 32gb would play the EXACT same because aces high is not using more than 2gb of RAM. Sure if you have 50+ processes running while playing aces high then 2gb won't work of course. Also one could set all of those to background which would put the game first and only pagefile THOSE processes and NOT THE GAME. 2gb of aces high is plenty enough if you are not running 50+ processes i say again. My self I have 8gb just because I do infact run a lot of things in the background while playing games. yet not 1 single game EVER uses more than 1gb of RAM.... perhaps 1.5 gb... but never 2gb. I don't care if its BF3/BF4, farcry, metro 2033. There is no way a game is going to use that much. Lets translate 2gb means 268435456 memory locations on a 64 bit system with each location holding numbers up to 2^64 or 1.8446744e+19. I have no idea why 1 single game needs that much unless you are running a lot of background apps.
a intel core i3 3220 is 110$ Im sure most can save up for that in a years time. People should build there own systems as its much cheaper.

no you don't know what you're talking about, that is fact. i run win7 leaner than out of the box and it takes 976mb of ram on startup, before anti-virus loads. after anti-virus loads it sits at 1.1gb with 48 processes. my laptop takes even more because of all the laptop specific drivers. now if you want to call necessary hardware drivers "bloatware", that's your stupidity. i have successfully ran a laptop with win7 on only 3gb of ram for an extended period of time, but programs like photoshop cs5 perform horribly. win8 can be leaned out to 1.1gb on startup before anti-virus, assuming you disable all the metro features and some other extraneous processes. anyone running an onboard graphics chip would be in deep trouble with only 2gb of ram on the system. running win7 or win8 on 2gb of ram in general causes a lot of swapping, which slows system performance, and it only gets worse as you open/close programs.

[ImADot]

a intel core i3 3220 is 110$ Im sure most can save up for that in a years time.

So you're telling people they can buy that processor and jam it into whatever computer they have and they'll be all set?

[olds442]

So you're telling people they can buy that processor and jam it into whatever computer they have and they'll be all set?

No im saying processors don't cost 500$+ for low end.

[Midway]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544

$468 in Sept 2012 as a combo pack.

I had a CyberPower PC and simply took out the old MB and put the new one in, then plugged in the new top of the line CPU.  Followed the instructions.  Was very simple.   Reinstalled windows... and I was ready to go.

Been using it ever since along with my old graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series

Works great and frame rate around 60fps with everything maxed except environment slider and shadows on other aeroplanes.

I also took out all the extra cooling fans since they were too noisy and installed http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ to make sure there is no CPU heat build up.  The graphics card has it's own small and very quiet fan.

All works great and use it daily, heavily.  

Point is if you have a decent graphics card and reasonably good PC, upgrading to top of the line CPU, along with a new motherboard for less than $500 is easy...at least it was for me... and I'm no PC expert.  

[gyrene81]

video card is one of the issues Midway. getting a "good one" can cost an additional $200+.

and what did you do for ram? were you able to recycle what you had? a lot of people who have systems that are borderline now couldn't do that...add another $70 for memory that isn't crap.

[Midway]

video card is one of the issues Midway. getting a "good one" can cost an additional $200+.

and what did you do for ram? were you able to recycle what you had? a lot of people who have systems that are borderline now couldn't do that...add another $70 for memory that isn't crap.

Yes, recycled everything else.

[gyrene81]

then take your $468 then add $200 for a good video card that won't need to be replaced next year...then another $70 for ram since what they have can't be recycled. now the "simple upgrade" is at $738, assuming they have a good power supply, that can also be reused.

if a guy has to make a choice between saving $200 for a new video card or feeding his kids...how much more difficult do you think it is for him to save $738? we can't all be privileged and live the good life. most of us are "just making ends meet", others are worse off...fewer have money to burn, but they are making the most noise for graphics the rest of us can't afford.

[Arlo]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544

$468 in Sept 2012 as a combo pack.

I had a CyberPower PC and simply took out the old MB and put the new one in, then plugged in the new top of the line CPU.  Followed the instructions.  Was very simple.   Reinstalled windows... and I was ready to go.

Been using it ever since along with my old graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series

Works great and frame rate around 60fps with everything maxed except shadows on other aeroplanes.

I also took out all the fans since they were too noisy and installed http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ to make sure there is no heat build up.

All works great and use it daily, heavily.  

Point is if you have a decent graphics card and reasonably good PC, upgrading to top of the line CPU, along with a new motherboard for less than $500 is easy...at least it was for me... and I'm no PC expert.  

Besides a $500.00 upgrade bill more than a few players may have to fork out .....

What was the frame rate hit your system took before smoke and fire was toned
down in AH? There's a reason that many in the community reported issues of such
in the past.

warning - ancient systems will be discussed

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,19297.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,19961.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,87568.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,19564.0.html

Smoke's nothing 'new' - neither are the problems it causes.
All systems will take a hit if smoke is too prevalent. I'm not seeing
this wish as a true overall improvement suggestion for the whole
community.

[Midway]

then take your $468 then add $200 for a good video card that won't need to be replaced next year...then another $70 for ram since what they have can't be recycled. now the "simple upgrade" is at $738, assuming they have a good power supply, that can also be reused.

if a guy has to make a choice between saving $200 for a new video card or feeding his kids...how much more difficult do you think it is for him to save $738? we can't all be privileged and live the good life. most of us are "just making ends meet", others are worse off...fewer have money to burn, but they are making the most noise for graphics the rest of us can't afford.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-1GB-DDR5-SLI-Ready-/151071135900?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item232c8a989c  $75 for my graphics card.

Memory pretty cheap too.

[gyrene81]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-1GB-DDR5-SLI-Ready-/151071135900?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item232c8a989c  $75 for my graphics card.

Memory pretty cheap too.

waste of money, unless it's for emergency purposes. the only thing that one has going for it is the fact that it's an xfx brand with a lifetime warranty that is transferrable. i specify "good video card", not someone elses reject, but if you must...this one would be more appropriate.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XFX-ATI-Radeon-HD7770-1GB-DDR5-HDMI-Mini-DisplayPort-PCI-E-Video-Card-FX777AZNF4/160744455764?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D163%26meid%3D8654122438078730574%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D1088%26rk%3D4%26sd%3D151071135900%26

[olds442]

video card is one of the issues Midway. getting a "good one" can cost an additional $200+.

and what did you do for ram? were you able to recycle what you had? a lot of people who have systems that are borderline now couldn't do that...add another $70 for memory that isn't crap.

sir 4gb of DRR3 1333mhz RAM is under 30$

[guncrasher]

then take your $468 then add $200 for a good video card that won't need to be replaced next year...then another $70 for ram since what they have can't be recycled. now the "simple upgrade" is at $738, assuming they have a good power supply, that can also be reused.

if a guy has to make a choice between saving $200 for a new video card or feeding his kids...how much more difficult do you think it is for him to save $738? we can't all be privileged and live the good life. most of us are "just making ends meet", others are worse off...fewer have money to burn, but they are making the most noise for graphics the rest of us can't afford.

you can sell some of your old parts.  there's always somebody who will need them.  I was able to upgrade to a 2500k, new mobo and 8 gigs of ram for about 300 bucks.  that was 500 dollars worth of upgrade.


semp

[icepac]

Processor scores are mostly badly represented with charts because they take the entire "chip" instead of the power of each core.

A low performance 4 core processor might seem to perform better than the fastest dual core processor when the opposite of that is actually true in real life application.

Even an old high end core II duo processor will outperform many of the higher rated 4 or 6 core processors of today.

[HawkerMKII]

real fire and smoke like this>

from South Fork fire burning in Colorado right now

[Tilt]

For industrial complex's when viewed from the air i think this is more appropriate.  Its not too dissimilar from what we have now.