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Offline Letalis

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F6F Tweaks
« on: June 30, 2013, 04:17:21 AM »
-Option for centerline bomb:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAcsVp3QNJw  See 3:25, 3:45ish  :pray

-Option for 2x75gal or 2x150gal fuel tanks on wing hardpoints.  See 2:00 mark.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAcsVp3QNJw  Max external fuel for the -5 was 450gal! (Source: America's Hundred Thousand pp. 553)

-Request speed brake option for gear just like the F4U.  I'd always thought that it was strange for a "sturdy CV fighter" that the gear would be so fragile (creaking a little over 150kias).  See 2:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAcsVp3QNJw   --  Though he says 350, the manual says 300.  http://books.google.com/books?id=zGCL2baoM6oC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=hellcat+maneuver+flaps&source=bl&ots=xjbWbNA6IL&sig=SVboHDFsgvVhM09FXvCfRuwGag4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6vXPUYL4Koi9iwL-poCwCg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=hellcat%20maneuver%20flaps&f=false
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 07:49:58 AM »
The F4U actually had a specific "brake" position for the landing gear. To my knowledge the F6F didn't.
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 09:31:32 AM »
Quote from: Saxman on June 30, 2013, 07:49:58 AM
The F4U actually had a specific "brake" position for the landing gear. To my knowledge the F6F didn't.
Yup.  This.

The Mossie was also expected to use its gear as speed brakes (it is why the frill was discarded), but it didn't have a specific setting for it and the pilot's handbook doesn't list it.  I have read of at least on Mossie that flew back with its gear stuck down after deploying them at ~350mph to use as airbrakes.  HTC has to go with what is in the official documents or else a huge can of worms gets opened that would likely be an unending headache on the forums.  So, the F4U has the landing gear/airbrakes and the F6F does not.
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 11:29:50 AM »
One of the nice things about Il-2/Pacific Fighters is that they did actually model the Corsair's brake position as a separate from the actual landing gear. As I recall, the brake position extended the main gear but did NOT lock them in place. It also only extended the main gear and left the tail wheel retracted.

I'd love to see that in Aces High. Since we already have a "Dive Brake" control for other aircraft (Dauntless, Val) apply this to the brake position for the Corsair, as well. It only extends the main gear, and if you try to land on them that way they'll be likely to collapse. If you hit the actual "gear" control, it extends the tail wheel which can rip off under speed.
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 12:50:02 PM »
your video doesn't show any wheel deployment in a dive...

f6f proper dive procedure starts at 14:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUziAyx6hG4

f4u proper dive procedure starts at 15:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4aPk4fledU

no gear lowering for the f6f dive procedure...
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 01:23:29 PM »
From what I understand the corsairs main gear do lock down when the dive brake position is used. If not the wind would have a tendency to blow them rearwards. The tail wheel is not lowered because the doors would be ripped off at the high speeds encountered when a dive brake is needed. Maybe Bodhi could weigh in on the matter since he has first hand knowledge of the F4U.

I've never heard of the F6 using the landing gear as a dive brake nor have I seen them doing so in the old movie clips like I have the F4U's.
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013, 01:40:48 PM »
Quote from: SIK1 on June 30, 2013, 01:23:29 PM
From what I understand the corsairs main gear do lock down when the dive brake position is used. If not the wind would have a tendency to blow them rearwards. The tail wheel is not lowered because the doors would be ripped off at the high speeds encountered when a dive brake is needed. Maybe Bodhi could weigh in on the matter since he has first hand knowledge of the F4U.
I've never heard of the F6 using the landing gear as a dive brake nor have I seen them doing so in the old movie clips like I have the F4U's.

-I suspect the F4Us dedicated speed brake position (mains only) is a function of a weak tailwheel (lengthened during design), whereas the F6F had no such limitation. 

-Since the F6F could do 440 in a dive, it doesn't make much sense to incorporate the dropping of gear with a 300 or 350mph limit (ergo not procedure).

-The gear can be down at 300 according to the manual without them shearing off. 

-If the gear doesn't shear off at 300 I'll be happy, regardless of whether we call it a "speed brake" or not.

-If we're going by the manual it should be a "clean kill" without opening up an bigger can o' worms.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zGCL2baoM6oC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=hellcat+maneuver+flaps&source=bl&ots=xjbWbNA6IL&sig=SVboHDFsgvVhM09FXvCfRuwGag4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6vXPUYL4Koi9iwL-poCwCg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=hellcat%20maneuver%20flaps&f=false
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013, 03:51:57 PM »
Quote from: Letalis on June 30, 2013, 01:40:48 PM
-I suspect the F4Us dedicated speed brake position (mains only) is a function of a weak tailwheel (lengthened during design), whereas the F6F had no such limitation. 

-Since the F6F could do 440 in a dive, it doesn't make much sense to incorporate the dropping of gear with a 300 or 350mph limit (ergo not procedure).

-The gear can be down at 300 according to the manual without them shearing off. 

-If the gear doesn't shear off at 300 I'll be happy, regardless of whether we call it a "speed brake" or not.

-If we're going by the manual it should be a "clean kill" without opening up an bigger can o' worms.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zGCL2baoM6oC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=hellcat+maneuver+flaps&source=bl&ots=xjbWbNA6IL&sig=SVboHDFsgvVhM09FXvCfRuwGag4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6vXPUYL4Koi9iwL-poCwCg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=hellcat%20maneuver%20flaps&f=false

Even the F4U-1 with the shorter tail wheel uses the mains only as a dive brake. Like I said before it's not because of the tail wheel but the tail wheel doors that it is not lowered in the dive brake position. It was designed into the corsair from the beginning to work that way.

The link you posted says maximum speed for gear raising or lowering is 135 knots if 135 knots is exceeded when lowering the gear they will trail. It also says maximum speed with the gear trailing or extended is 300 knots.

According to your source the gear can be down at 300 knots but you would have to lower them and raise them at or below 135 knots so I'm not sure what advantage you would gain. I would bet with the way it's worded that the max speed for gear extended was for battle damage or landing gear malfunction.
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2013, 09:24:38 AM »
Leaving the gear down isn't likely to rip the gear off an any aircraft. The weak points are the doors which will shear off, or worse get stuck in transit causing the gear to get hung up.
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Re: F6F Tweaks
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2013, 12:58:19 PM »
I'd like to tweak the F6F by adding the F6F-3
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013, 02:10:19 PM »
Quote from: whiteman on July 01, 2013, 12:58:19 PM
I'd like to tweak the F6F by adding the F6F-3
pffft tweak the F6 by giving it a bubble canopy :banana:
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2013, 02:45:54 PM »
Quote from: Zacherof on July 01, 2013, 02:10:19 PM
pffft tweak the F6 by giving it a bubble canopy :banana:

that would be the Bearcat, and you can blame Truman for it not being included in the game.
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 02:54:47 PM »
Quote from: whiteman on July 01, 2013, 02:45:54 PM
that would be the Bearcat, and you can blame Truman for it not being included in the game.
hell I don't get my tigercat cause of him :furious
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Re: F6F Tweaks
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2013, 03:07:46 PM »
Quote from: whiteman on July 01, 2013, 02:45:54 PM
that would be the Bearcat, and you can blame Truman for it not being included in the game.

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