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Offline NatCigg

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This guys data says something else.  :D




http://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/global-warming-caused-cfcs-not-carbon-dioxide-study-says

Unknown, but maybe.

The fact is no one has done a study (or at least released one) what causes CO2. From what I was told termites are the largest contributors.

The other fact about global climate change is, the Earth has a natural wobble which cycles every 24,000 years. Right now we are in the global warming peak. In 12,000 years the Sahara desert will be a lush forest.

Offline Easyscor

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There's this report, among others, which purports to debunk Mr. Lu:

http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/2013/05/31/qing-bin-lu-revives-debunked-claims-about-cosmic-rays-and-cfcs/

Then there are the graphs shown in the article the OP referenced and they were far short of the standards we're used to from Lusche. Look at the time period and it's mismatch with the article's claimed period!

I intended to take a wait and see view after peer review, but apparently that has already occurred.

Could Mr. Lu be correct? Possibly, but in my opinion, there is nothing in that article to support his claim. I haven't read the 38 pages of his published works referenced in the article, but apparently he hasn't divulged or discovered the process which he says is taking place. Until he publishes something to explain the process, that's accepted by his peers in that field of study, I'll stay with current explanations.

Additionally, Mr. Lu has an unenviable task before him. His peer professors and scientists are dependent upon their reputation and past publications for their government grants, tenure, and their livelihood. Acceptance would not come easily even if he can explain the processes, but apparently, he has not done so.

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Offline Stellaris

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Sigh...

Ask yourself this question.  Is Co2 more opaque in infrared than in the visible spectrum?

Yes it is.  Google for the graph yourself if you doubt this.

Thus, does its presence in the atmosphere serve to trap heat?

Yes it does.

Thus, will putting more in the atmosphere trap more heat?

Yes, it will.

There is a lot more to consider, and CFC may well be another contributor, but the basic connection between CO2 emission and global warming is not rocket science.  Alas, a lot of people find even ordinary science difficult.

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Just a side note:

Trees take in CO2 from the air. That atmospheric CO2 is stored inside the timber. When that timber is turned into a forest product (lumber, paper, etc.), a lot of atmospheric carbon is still locked into the product. If the timber/forest product is burned, no new atmospheric CO2 will be returned to the air. (The net effect is 0 at worst. Think of drawing a bucket of water from a pond and then pouring it back in). Oil and fossil fuels, however, have been stored underground for centuries. When these forms of carbon are burned, new CO2 is added into the atmosphere.

Conclusion - use more forest products. Timber functions as a natural CO2 container. The more trees we grow, harvest and replant to start the cycle over again the better. The only new carbon from fossil fuels needed is  to generate the chemical reactions and mechanical operations required to create the wood product. Fortunately, many paper and lumber mills can take off some of the strain by combusting scrap wood for energy.
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Wow... there's some big words in this thread, I'm going back to General Discussion.. biggest words in there are noob and pwned :uhoh :headscratch:
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Offline Vulcan

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Reading his brief it seems to be based on correlation of statistics, no actual science in what the CFC's are actually doing.

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This guys data says something else.  :D




http://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/global-warming-caused-cfcs-not-carbon-dioxide-study-says
I dont know. I only know that when i was a little kid (in the mid-90s), there was a lot of snow in the winters. From early December, it did not really melt til early March. In '99, we got 3 yards of it in January, couldnt get out from the village for 3 weeks. I will never forget that, 3 weeks of silence, peace, was something unique.
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Has North Korea invaded yet?

Its the same theme but different colour :rofl

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Alas, a lot of people find even ordinary science difficult
Apparently including scientists. There is no argument about whether or not Co2 is a greenhouse gas. There is no argument about climate change which is a natural cycle anyway. The real argument is whether or not human factors are causing global warming. The popular villain is Co2 even if it's becoming clear there are other factors not all of them man made.

A lot of careers have been made from the basic belief that Co2 is the main cause. Unfortunately for Professor Lu, he's like a priest telling the Vatican they're worshipping the wrong God.

Time will tell but there's one basic reality. The has been no global warming since 1998. This isn't even disputed by either side except that warmist side are desperately scrambling to try and explain how it's happening when all their predictions say otherwise.

I have a feeling that in few years time. Our kids will be wondering what got into everyone to make us believe we could control the Earth's climate.

I think the  word  hubris is relevant here.

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Re: Warning: This may be disturbing to the youth and/or self-righteous
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2013, 05:55:49 AM »
Let's see...10,000 years ago most of the northern hemisphere was covered in ice. It's been warming ever since. What caused that? Caveman farts?

Over the last 600 million years, there have been at least five global extinctions, nearly wiping out every living thing on the planet. What caused that? Can't blame the dinosaurs or the fish (or man).

The earth's climate changes naturally. It's been this way for millions of years. It heats up and it cools down. To think man has anything to do with it is a galactic sized ego talking.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2013, 06:12:00 AM by Blooz »
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Re: Warning: This may be disturbing to the youth and/or self-righteous
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2013, 06:23:30 AM »
You need to watch Earth From Space. The O2/CO2 exchange doesn't work like we thought.
http://video.pbs.org/video/2334144059/
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Re: Warning: This may be disturbing to the youth and/or self-righteous
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2013, 07:04:37 AM »
Wow... there's some big words in this thread, I'm going back to General Discussion.. biggest words in there are noob and pwned :uhoh :headscratch:

 :rofl :cheers:
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Re: Warning: This may be disturbing to the youth and/or self-righteous
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2013, 07:18:38 AM »
Cars are to blame, especially big ones  :old:

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Re: Warning: This may be disturbing to the youth and/or self-righteous
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2013, 07:40:37 AM »
It snowed in May here this year. Iowa sucks so bad even global warming doesn't want to visit.  :bhead
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