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Offline Nath[BDP]

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A Simpler Time
« on: July 10, 2013, 05:24:45 PM »
This is an open invitation to folks who are interested primarily in the lost art of ACM and Furballs.

It seems the predominance of speed of the late war plane set has created a culture of non-engagement and serious timidity.  The favorite tactic these days is staying high and fast, pulling no more than 3G when engaging and then running off if the prey shows any semblance of skill in fighting at a disadvantage.

Engagements lack the edge of your seat excitement of a furball circa 2003. 

The best times I've had in AH since returning are the times when the LWMA is closed and people fly in Midwar.  The planes are slower, slightly less lethal, and this leads to more interesting fights.

So I invite more players to come experience the Midwar arena during peak hours.  Give up your P51Ds, 109K4s, La7s, Doras and jump into the fray. 

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Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 05:33:16 PM »
I used to regularly fly in the MW arena for many years because I've always felt it had the best plane matchups and you were able to find some good quality fights but that has changed over the years and it's just become a mini-LW arena.  Last time I was in there a few months ago, players were more focused on hording undefended bases than fighting.  There was one squadron, (a FA refugee squad) that would do anything they could to avoid any sort of fight unless they had overwhelming numbers against the sole bandit.  Another squadron would hord undefended bases and then leave if defenders started to up and would move on to the next undefended base.  It grew quite tiresome.

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Offline Vudu15

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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 06:10:05 PM »
any time Ive flown in there Id kill a couple attacking a/c and theyd just leave the server or jump sides and go someplace else....sad really, so now I just hunt P51s with my KI43.
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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2013, 06:32:08 PM »
I know the squad, AckAck, and was a member in FA, they were different then, you couldn't avoid a fight with them then. The last time I went to MW, I was Hoed by their squad leader, and thinking that once he knew who I was would fight, but I was sadly mistake. He did it again, so basically, MW is just LW with older planes.....which I can fly in LW and have a challenge
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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2013, 07:00:42 PM »
For when I've flown recently, there have been plenty of good fights to be found except after about 11 pm Pacific time, at which point there often aren't enough people up to maintain more than 1-2 guys here and there scattered around the map.  Most pilots employ turn-and-burn ACM, with a much smaller number being ones that run off.

I expect a faster plane to try to run if it gets in trouble.  That's what he should do.  When I'm fighting faster planes, I keep that in mind as I fight, trying to keep the E or position to preclude escape if possible.  Or, if I'm in a faster, less-maneuverable plane compared to an opponent, I try to keep the ability to disengage if things start going badly for me.  That is just another set of ACM techniques in my opinion.

Now is it much fun if the attacker is in a high La-7 that does B&Z passes on you until his huge E advantage is spent then zooms off?  Compared to other fights, no.  But that seems a tiny minority of the fighters compared to ones that do T&B.
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Offline BuckShot

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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2013, 07:09:19 PM »
A HO takes 2; One to initiate and one to take the bait.

 It is incredibly easy to avoid them.
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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2013, 07:13:52 PM »
Quote from: BuckShot on July 10, 2013, 07:09:19 PM
A HO takes 2; One to initiate and one to take the bait.

 It is incredibly easy to avoid them.

Lies. If a guy wants to HO-ram you, you're going to take damage regardless of what you do. Pull up? Shot to the belly. Dive down? Shot to the cockpit. Break left? Shot to the wing. Break right? Shot to the wing. The only reason the HO-rammer fails to kill you is because 90% of the time, it's a scrub who can't aim worth a dime in the first place. If a top notch pilot wanted to HO you, you'd take damage no matter what you did. 
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Offline Arlo

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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2013, 07:24:43 PM »
Quote from: titanic3 on July 10, 2013, 07:13:52 PM
Lies. If a guy wants to HO-ram you, you're going to take damage regardless of what you do. Pull up? Shot to the belly. Dive down? Shot to the cockpit. Break left? Shot to the wing. Break right? Shot to the wing. The only reason the HO-rammer fails to kill you is because 90% of the time, it's a scrub who can't aim worth a dime in the first place. If a top notch pilot wanted to HO you, you'd take damage no matter what you did. 

Wow. You don't know how to evade the HO so it can't be done?
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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2013, 07:28:29 PM »
Quote from: Arlo on July 10, 2013, 07:24:43 PM
Wow. You don't know how to evade the HO so it can't be done?

DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.
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Quote from: guncrasher on August 16, 2012, 04:48:31 AM

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Offline BuckShot

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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2013, 07:30:10 PM »
Quote from: titanic3 on July 10, 2013, 07:13:52 PM
Lies. If a guy wants to HO-ram you, you're going to take damage regardless of what you do. Pull up? Shot to the belly. Dive down? Shot to the cockpit. Break left? Shot to the wing. Break right? Shot to the wing. The only reason the HO-rammer fails to kill you is because 90% of the time, it's a scrub who can't aim worth a dime in the first place. If a top notch pilot wanted to HO you, you'd take damage no matter what you did. 

Nope, it's true. Either that our there are less "top notch" pilots that I thought.
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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2013, 07:31:43 PM »
Quote from: Arlo on July 10, 2013, 07:24:43 PM
Wow. You don't know how to evade the HO so it can't be done?

How does one avoid a HO then.  I am fairly ok in a 38 and often get HO'd, the typical spit16 driver who comes straight up at you as you are trying to out climb him.  Obviously to gain speed I need to put the nose down and going in for the kill see the spixteen coming straight up at me.  I try to avoid but I get shot probably 50% of the time and more often than I would like, as I divert, they divert and turn it into a HO/Ram as I do not have enough reaction time to get totally out the way.  

I would love to know how to avoid the HO, I see a few people saying, "easy to avoid", ok, explain how?
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Offline Arlo

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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2013, 07:36:14 PM »
Quote from: titanic3 on July 10, 2013, 07:28:29 PM
DA. Give me a 410/190/110. You try to evade it. Bet you you can't.

Mmmmbecause you're a practiced HO expett? I 've been successfully dodging HOs for a decade and a half. After you embarrass yourself trying to show me how great a HOer you are, I'll teach you.  :D
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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2013, 07:38:41 PM »
Quote from: Arlo on July 10, 2013, 07:36:14 PM
Mmmmbecause you're a practiced HO expett? I 've been successfully dodging HOs for a decade and a half. After you embarrass yourself trying to show me how great a HOer you are, I'll teach you.  :D

 :lol Never thought I'd see the day where someone asks to get HOed. Sure. What's your IGN pal? And afterwards, maybe we can get an actually duel match going on.  ;)
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Offline Stang

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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2013, 07:45:59 PM »
Plenty of prancing ninnies tried to ho my B-25H yesterday...    :t

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Offline Stang

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Re: A Simpler Time
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2013, 07:50:13 PM »
On a side note, that one I'll never be able to understand... A guy who is so timid he won't engage at all if he doesn't hold the whole deck and an additional pair of jokers, who makes his only attack attempt a head on where he puts himself into the most precarious position he can allowing his enemy to have a solution on him...

I mean  :headscratch:  :huh  :confused: :confused:
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