Unperk the F4U-1C

[Shifty]

-1 

I can successfully,  pork ords / dar and all ack on a small field and town.   Whilst still having half ammo to then vulch 10 guys taking off. 

You make it free then people like Jokers Jokers would instantly use it ALL the time. 

 

[Beefcake]

Agreed.

However the three cannon La-7 is not nearly as disruptive as the F4U-1C.  Those of us who played back then know what the unfettered F4U-1C was like.

IIRC when the -1C was unperked it's usage peaked at more than 50% of all aircraft in the arena. For every 10 planes you saw at least 5 were always -1C's. Being a bomber pilot back in those days royally sucked and heck we didn't even have drones.

[Karnak]

IIRC when the -1C was unperked it's usage peaked at more than 50% of all aircraft in the arena. For every 10 planes you saw at least 5 were always -1C's. Being a bomber pilot back in those days royally sucked and heck we didn't even have drones.

It was bad, but it wasn't that bad.  Peak was about 20-22% of kills being by F4U-1Cs.  Thing is not only did it completely dominate the kill totals, it also did so with a very good K/D ratio.

[Lusche]

It was bad, but it wasn't that bad.  Peak was about 20-22% of kills being by F4U-1Cs.  Thing is not only did it completely dominate the kill totals, it also did so with a very good K/D ratio.

This is the fighter A2A data of tour 13, short time before the perk system was introduced:



(X axis K/D, Y axis K+D)

[-ammo-]

I'm not looking at the data from those times, but can say from experience the F4U-1C did not unbalance the arena(s).  There were a few virtual pilots, albeit good in their own right, that were killers in the C-Hog.

I disagree to the inference the C-Hog was so unbalancing that HTC decided to perk it.  I believe HTC made the decision mostly based on the negative information provided by customers in the BBS and through other means.   The guys I flew with (including me) had no problem dealing with C-hogs.

AH is much different than it was in 2002/2003, and I believe unperking the C-Hog would be no more an influence in the MA than unperking the Spit 14.

My .02 cents

Ammo - out

[Lusche]

I believe unperking the C-Hog would be no more an influence in the MA than unperking the Spit 14.

You should look at the data occasionally

There were a few virtual pilots, albeit good in their own right, that were killers in the C-Hog.

As you can clearly see by the graph above it's been more than that. "Just a few pilots" can't get the stats of a fighter to that point as depicted. A few pilots can massively skew the K/D of lesser used rides, but to subtantially dominate the arena by K/D AND absolute number of kills as well, it takes a LOT more.

It's similar to the old Hurri MK II in the EW arena. Seme claimed they weren't unbalancing as well, because they were themself so much above average pilots that they could cope with it. But in effect, the Hurri II was dominating EW just in the same way the F4U-1C  did to the old main.
You always have to step back and see the whole picture.

[5PointOh]

Almost 35% of planes flown...I'd say that's pretty good data to support being perked.

[moot]

Ammo - IIRC HTC said they perked the chog because its usage fraction of total usage was too high.

[-ammo-]

Moot,

That is probably true; I can't remember, and to be honest, didn't care that much then.  I was flying in a P-47 squad at the time.  LOL, doing the same today.


Lusche, I am sure you are right, but for me personally, I don't see the big deal.  Fly what you want, learn it's strengths/weaknesses, and operate accordingly.  I remember finding tons of C-hogs in low furballs and picked on them.  Of course, there were guys like torque who knew what they were doing, but we adapted.

I'll tell you what.  You take a C-hog and I'll take a Spit-14.  Let's do best 4 out of 5 in the DA.

[Tracerfi]

My input is NO!!!!!!

[surfinn]

what tracer said  big no

[Zoney]

-1

I think the the perk system is too loose as it is. Ta 152 should be perked along with some others that used to be perked some time ago.

You take that back, you take that back right now !

[bozon]

I hate it when a historically insignificant model or variant becomes the dominant representative of a plane in AH. F4U-C were a tiny minority of the hogs in R/L. If they were free, very few -1, -1A, -D will be seen. A free -C justifies getting 2*20mm+4*0.5s on the F6F.

All the rare variants should be perked in the game:
F4U-C
P47-M
P-47-N
Ta-152
La7 with 3 guns (no different than the -C case and NOBODY flys the normal 2 shvak 20mm version that were 98% of the planes)

It could be a symbolic perk cost of "1" in cases like the Ta152 that few fly anyway and a higher one for the -C when population control is required.

[Karnak]

bozon,

That is how I feel about the requests for the cannon armed A-20G.  Perked it would be fine, but sans perks it would just be 95% of A-20G sorties despite being only about 10% of A-20G production.  Quad cannon Ki-84 would be another example.  Add them as perked options, fine, but don't let them entirely eclipse the historically significant versions.

[Delirium]

I know I'm the minority, but I'd like to see a small perk price (1-5) added to any plane that has a very high usage in the Main Arena. This way some variety would be seen in the Main Arena.

I know it will never happen, but I can dream.